>>> "User 42" <newsn...@yoohoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9BC875FF152BBc6e9f@127.0.0.1...
>>>> http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-03-08-church-shooting_N.htm

>>>> MARYVILLE, Ill. - Illinois State Police say a pastor was shot and
>>>> killed Sunday morning by an assailant at an 8 a.m. worship service.

>>>> In a telephone interview, Jeff Ross, a lay minister at the First
>>>> Baptist Church of Maryville, Ill., said Senior Pastor Fred Winters
>>>> was shot to death after he was hit in the heart and the neck.

>>>> "He's gone home to be free with the Lord," Ross said.

>>>> Parishioners tackled the gunman, who wounded himself with a knife,
>>>> state police told CNN.

>>>> Master Trooper Ralph Timmins says the man walked down the aisle
>>>> during the service, exchanged words with the pastor, then drew a
>>>> .45-caliber handgun and fired.

>>>> Timmins said the man fatally shot Winters once before the gun jammed,
>>>> then pulled out a knife and wounded himself.

>>>> Churchgoers tried to subdue the attacker, and two of them were
>>>> slightly hurt.

>>>> Timmins said officials don't know whether Winters and the suspect
>>>> knew each other.

>>>> Ross said that over the last 21 years, Winters built the congregation
>>>> up from about 30 to 1,500 members. "This is just Satan. Who else
>>>> would do it? Someone who wanted to stop his message," he said.

>>>> Winters was married and had two daughters, Ross said. Winters had led
>>>> First Baptist for nearly 22 years and was the former president of the
>>>> Illinois Baptist State Association and an adjunct professor for
>>>> Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, according to the church's
>>>> website.

>>>> Ross described the church as occupying a suburban location about 18
>>>> miles outside St. Louis in an area largely untroubled by crime or
>>>> violence. "He built this church in a cornfield," he said of Winters,
>>>> "and now houses are filling in around us."

>>>> Winters, he said, "was on fire for the Lord. He only worried about
>>>> people who were lost."

>>>> He said he and other church members were praying for the gunman.
>>>> "He's still alive, so there's still a chance for him to turn his life
>>>> around and find the Lord."
>>> Are you trying to pass off a genuine news item as a joke?

>>> Are you trying to parody anti-Semitism?

>>> The gunman isn't even named, and the odds against the gunman being
>>> Jewish are astronomical.
>> The OP knows he was a liberal Jew, because the voice of God in his head
>> said so.  Besides, everybody knows that liberal Jews are all a bunch of
>> crazy gun nuts, and if he wasn't a liberal Jew, then he must have been a
>> liberal feminist gun nut, a liberal tree-hugging gun nut, a liberal
>> Unitarian gun nut, a liberal abortionist gun nut or a liberal stem cell
>> researcher gun nut.

>> There's no way he coul been someone the pastor knew, because the voice
>> of God in the OP's head told him that it had to be a cliched newspaper
>> stereotype with a political agenda.  Yeah, that's the ticket.

> Most felons ARE actual or potential liberal Democrats.

> Or at least, demographically, they come from the same groups that make up
> the Democratic constituency.

> The drive to restore the voting rights of felons is entirely a
> Democratic-organized drive, and the reason for that is obvious.

> But not very many Jews are guilty of violent criminal activity, so it's
> statistically unlikely that someone who uses a firearm for criminal purposes
> is Jewish.