> FDR wrote: >> Gunner Asch wrote: >>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:02:54 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:44:14 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in the >>>>>>>>>> U.S. >>>>>>>>>> after the politician refused to release to the public a carbon >>>>>>>>>> copy of >>>>>>>>>> his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he may >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed petitioning >>>>>>>>>> Obama >>>>>>>>>> to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been thrown >>>>>>>>>> out by >>>>>>>>>> the courts." >>>>>>>> And of course it's all innuendo without substance.
>>>>>>> If that were the case, why hasnt he simply done the simple thing and >>>>>>> released a copy of his actual birth certificate, instead of a clumsy >>>>>>> made up thingie? >>>>>> Does he need to also prove he's not from Mars if someone right wing >>>>>> nut says he is? His birth cerificate is on record and he's >>>>>> President, get used to it.
>>>>> "A" birth certificate is on record. But its not a valid one.
>>>>> I have 2 birth certificates. Both have different ages and names. One >>>>> is a fraud, the other is factual. >>>> Your full of shit, but that's expected.
>>> Proof? Are you claiming that its not possible to get alternate forms >>> of ID. In fact I do have one that was gotten from a county office, >>> using the name of a child that was still born, two years before my own >>> actual date of birth. Its quite simple to do if one knows how. It can >>> complicate things in later years, if one is trying to get VA >>> benefits and so forth....
>>> Its also very easily done if you have lots of money and a party >>> machne behind you. >>>>> If I present the fraudulent one...is it something you wish to base the >>>>> office of the presidency on? And the fate of the Free World? >>>> You don't present it, it's what's on record with the government.
>>> So when will Obamas actual birth certificate be revealed?
>> When will all the other Presidents birth certificates be revealed?
> Right after Limbaugh releases his medical records.
Why should a private citizen ever release their records to the public?!
charliekilo wrote: > "trotsky" <gmsi...@email.com> wrote in message > news:5zutl.10014$DP1.7682@attbi_s22... >> FDR wrote: >>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:02:54 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:44:14 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in the >>>>>>>>>>> U.S. >>>>>>>>>>> after the politician refused to release to the public a carbon >>>>>>>>>>> copy of >>>>>>>>>>> his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he may >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed petitioning >>>>>>>>>>> Obama >>>>>>>>>>> to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been thrown >>>>>>>>>>> out by >>>>>>>>>>> the courts." >>>>>>>>> And of course it's all innuendo without substance.
>>>>>>>> If that were the case, why hasnt he simply done the simple thing and >>>>>>>> released a copy of his actual birth certificate, instead of a clumsy >>>>>>>> made up thingie? >>>>>>> Does he need to also prove he's not from Mars if someone right wing >>>>>>> nut says he is? His birth cerificate is on record and he's >>>>>>> President, get used to it.
>>>>>> "A" birth certificate is on record. But its not a valid one.
>>>>>> I have 2 birth certificates. Both have different ages and names. One >>>>>> is a fraud, the other is factual. >>>>> Your full of shit, but that's expected. >>>> Proof? Are you claiming that its not possible to get alternate forms >>>> of ID. In fact I do have one that was gotten from a county office, >>>> using the name of a child that was still born, two years before my own >>>> actual date of birth. Its quite simple to do if one knows how. It can >>>> complicate things in later years, if one is trying to get VA >>>> benefits and so forth....
>>>> Its also very easily done if you have lots of money and a party >>>> machne behind you. >>>>>> If I present the fraudulent one...is it something you wish to base the >>>>>> office of the presidency on? And the fate of the Free World? >>>>> You don't present it, it's what's on record with the government. >>>> So when will Obamas actual birth certificate be revealed? >>> When will all the other Presidents birth certificates be revealed?
>> Right after Limbaugh releases his medical records.
> Why should a private citizen ever release their records to the public?!
Why does Obama have to release his birth certificate to the public when it's not being challenged in court?
> charliekilo wrote: >> "trotsky" <gmsi...@email.com> wrote in message >> news:5zutl.10014$DP1.7682@attbi_s22... >>> FDR wrote: >>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:02:54 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:44:14 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in >>>>>>>>>>>> the U.S. >>>>>>>>>>>> after the politician refused to release to the public a carbon >>>>>>>>>>>> copy of >>>>>>>>>>>> his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he may >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed >>>>>>>>>>>> petitioning Obama >>>>>>>>>>>> to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been >>>>>>>>>>>> thrown out by >>>>>>>>>>>> the courts." >>>>>>>>>> And of course it's all innuendo without substance.
>>>>>>>>> If that were the case, why hasnt he simply done the simple thing >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> released a copy of his actual birth certificate, instead of a >>>>>>>>> clumsy >>>>>>>>> made up thingie? >>>>>>>> Does he need to also prove he's not from Mars if someone right wing >>>>>>>> nut says he is? His birth cerificate is on record and he's >>>>>>>> President, get used to it.
>>>>>>> "A" birth certificate is on record. But its not a valid one.
>>>>>>> I have 2 birth certificates. Both have different ages and names. >>>>>>> One >>>>>>> is a fraud, the other is factual. >>>>>> Your full of shit, but that's expected. >>>>> Proof? Are you claiming that its not possible to get alternate forms >>>>> of ID. In fact I do have one that was gotten from a county office, >>>>> using the name of a child that was still born, two years before my own >>>>> actual date of birth. Its quite simple to do if one knows how. It can >>>>> complicate things in later years, if one is trying to get VA >>>>> benefits and so forth....
>>>>> Its also very easily done if you have lots of money and a party >>>>> machne behind you. >>>>>>> If I present the fraudulent one...is it something you wish to base >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> office of the presidency on? And the fate of the Free World? >>>>>> You don't present it, it's what's on record with the government. >>>>> So when will Obamas actual birth certificate be revealed? >>>> When will all the other Presidents birth certificates be revealed?
>>> Right after Limbaugh releases his medical records.
>> Why should a private citizen ever release their records to the public?!
> Why does Obama have to release his birth certificate to the public when > it's not being challenged in court?
First of all, he's a public servant of the highest order, the President of the U.S. I had to present my birth certificate when I got my passport why should I do it if I was running for president...I couldn't care less how get to see my certificate. Just as an FYI, his birth certificate was being challenged in court...buy a big Democrat, Philip Berg, of all things.
trotsky wrote: > FDR wrote: >> Gunner Asch wrote: >>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>> "There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in the U.S. >>>>>> after the politician refused to release to the public a carbon >>>>>> copy of >>>>>> his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he may have >>>>>> been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed petitioning >>>>>> Obama >>>>>> to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been thrown >>>>>> out by >>>>>> the courts." >>>> And of course it's all innuendo without substance.
>>> If that were the case, why hasnt he simply done the simple thing and >>> released a copy of his actual birth certificate, instead of a clumsy >>> made up thingie?
>> Does he need to also prove he's not from Mars if someone right wing >> nut says he is? His birth cerificate is on record and he's President, >> get used to it.
> Even the dimmest of bulbs has to realize that if Bush wasn't impeached > then we're in the clear with Obama. I don't care where the hell he was > born.
>>>>> Wikipedia, the online "free encyclopedia" mega-site written and edited >>>>> entirely by its users, has been deleting within minutes any mention of >>>>> eligibility issues surrounding Barack Obama's presidency, with >>>>> administrators kicking off anyone who writes about the subject, WND >>>>> has >>>>> learned.
>>>>> A perusal through Obama's current Wikipedia entry finds a heavily >>>>> guarded, mostly glowing biography about the U.S. president. Some of >>>>> Obama's most controversial past affiliations, including with Rev. >>>>> Jeremiah Wright and former Weathermen terrorist Bill Ayers, are not >>>>> once >>>>> mentioned, even though those associations received much news media >>>>> attention and served as dominant themes during the presidential >>>>> elections last year.
>>>>> Also completely lacking is any mention of the well-publicized concerns >>>>> surrounding Obama's eligibility to serve as commander-in-chief.
>>>>> Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or that he >>>>> fulfills >>>>> the "natural-born American" clause in the Constitution? If you still >>>>> want to see it, join more than 300,000 others and sign up now!
>>>>> Indeed, multiple times, Wikipedia users who wrote about the >>>>> eligibility >>>>> issues had their entries deleted almost immediately and were banned >>>>> from >>>>> re-posting any material on the website for three days.
>>>>> In one example, Wikipedia user "Jerusalem21" added the following to >>>>> Obama's page:
>>>>> "There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in the U.S. >>>>> after the politician refused to release to the public a carbon copy of >>>>> his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he may have >>>>> been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed petitioning >>>>> Obama >>>>> to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been thrown >>>>> out by >>>>> the courts." >>> And of course it's all innuendo without substance.
>> And of course Wikipedia doesn't censor that kind of thing on the pages >> of politicians with whom they philosophically disagree if the >> substance-less innuendo has been reported by significant media sources.
> Wait, you do realize how Wikipedia works, right?
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trotsky wrote: > FDR wrote: >> Gunner Asch wrote: >>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:02:54 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:44:14 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in >>>>>>>>>> the U.S. >>>>>>>>>> after the politician refused to release to the public a carbon >>>>>>>>>> copy of >>>>>>>>>> his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he >>>>>>>>>> may have >>>>>>>>>> been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed >>>>>>>>>> petitioning Obama >>>>>>>>>> to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been >>>>>>>>>> thrown out by >>>>>>>>>> the courts." >>>>>>>> And of course it's all innuendo without substance.
>>>>>>> If that were the case, why hasnt he simply done the simple thing and >>>>>>> released a copy of his actual birth certificate, instead of a clumsy >>>>>>> made up thingie? >>>>>> Does he need to also prove he's not from Mars if someone right >>>>>> wing nut says he is? His birth cerificate is on record and he's >>>>>> President, get used to it.
>>>>> "A" birth certificate is on record. But its not a valid one.
>>>>> I have 2 birth certificates. Both have different ages and names. One >>>>> is a fraud, the other is factual. >>>> Your full of shit, but that's expected.
>>> Proof? Are you claiming that its not possible to get alternate forms >>> of ID. In fact I do have one that was gotten from a county office, >>> using the name of a child that was still born, two years before my own >>> actual date of birth. Its quite simple to do if one knows how. It >>> can complicate things in later years, if one is trying to get VA >>> benefits and so forth....
>>> Its also very easily done if you have lots of money and a party >>> machne behind you. >>>>> If I present the fraudulent one...is it something you wish to base the >>>>> office of the presidency on? And the fate of the Free World? >>>> You don't present it, it's what's on record with the government.
>>> So when will Obamas actual birth certificate be revealed?
>> When will all the other Presidents birth certificates be revealed?
> Right after Limbaugh releases his medical records.
charliekilo wrote: > "trotsky" <gmsi...@email.com> wrote in message > news:5zutl.10014$DP1.7682@attbi_s22... >> FDR wrote: >>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:02:54 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:44:14 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in the >>>>>>>>>>> U.S. >>>>>>>>>>> after the politician refused to release to the public a carbon >>>>>>>>>>> copy of >>>>>>>>>>> his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he may >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed petitioning >>>>>>>>>>> Obama >>>>>>>>>>> to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been thrown >>>>>>>>>>> out by >>>>>>>>>>> the courts." >>>>>>>>> And of course it's all innuendo without substance.
>>>>>>>> If that were the case, why hasnt he simply done the simple thing and >>>>>>>> released a copy of his actual birth certificate, instead of a clumsy >>>>>>>> made up thingie? >>>>>>> Does he need to also prove he's not from Mars if someone right wing >>>>>>> nut says he is? His birth cerificate is on record and he's >>>>>>> President, get used to it.
>>>>>> "A" birth certificate is on record. But its not a valid one.
>>>>>> I have 2 birth certificates. Both have different ages and names. One >>>>>> is a fraud, the other is factual. >>>>> Your full of shit, but that's expected. >>>> Proof? Are you claiming that its not possible to get alternate forms >>>> of ID. In fact I do have one that was gotten from a county office, >>>> using the name of a child that was still born, two years before my own >>>> actual date of birth. Its quite simple to do if one knows how. It can >>>> complicate things in later years, if one is trying to get VA >>>> benefits and so forth....
>>>> Its also very easily done if you have lots of money and a party >>>> machne behind you. >>>>>> If I present the fraudulent one...is it something you wish to base the >>>>>> office of the presidency on? And the fate of the Free World? >>>>> You don't present it, it's what's on record with the government. >>>> So when will Obamas actual birth certificate be revealed? >>> When will all the other Presidents birth certificates be revealed?
>> Right after Limbaugh releases his medical records.
> Why should a private citizen ever release their records to the public?!
>>>>>>> Wikipedia, the online "free encyclopedia" mega-site written and >>>>>>> edited >>>>>>> entirely by its users, has been deleting within minutes any >>>>>>> mention of >>>>>>> eligibility issues surrounding Barack Obama's presidency, with >>>>>>> administrators kicking off anyone who writes about the subject, >>>>>>> WND has >>>>>>> learned.
>>>>>>> A perusal through Obama's current Wikipedia entry finds a heavily >>>>>>> guarded, mostly glowing biography about the U.S. president. Some of >>>>>>> Obama's most controversial past affiliations, including with Rev. >>>>>>> Jeremiah Wright and former Weathermen terrorist Bill Ayers, are >>>>>>> not once >>>>>>> mentioned, even though those associations received much news media >>>>>>> attention and served as dominant themes during the presidential >>>>>>> elections last year.
>>>>>>> Also completely lacking is any mention of the well-publicized >>>>>>> concerns >>>>>>> surrounding Obama's eligibility to serve as commander-in-chief.
>>>>>>> Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or that he >>>>>>> fulfills >>>>>>> the "natural-born American" clause in the Constitution? If you still >>>>>>> want to see it, join more than 300,000 others and sign up now!
>>>>>>> Indeed, multiple times, Wikipedia users who wrote about the >>>>>>> eligibility >>>>>>> issues had their entries deleted almost immediately and were >>>>>>> banned from >>>>>>> re-posting any material on the website for three days.
>>>>>>> In one example, Wikipedia user "Jerusalem21" added the following to >>>>>>> Obama's page:
>>>>>>> "There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in the >>>>>>> U.S. >>>>>>> after the politician refused to release to the public a carbon >>>>>>> copy of >>>>>>> his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he may have >>>>>>> been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed petitioning >>>>>>> Obama >>>>>>> to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been thrown >>>>>>> out by >>>>>>> the courts." >>>>> And of course it's all innuendo without substance. >>>> And of course Wikipedia doesn't censor that kind of thing on the >>>> pages of politicians with whom they philosophically disagree if the >>>> substance-less innuendo has been reported by significant media sources. >>> So if enough news organizations said there was innuendo that Obama >>> was an inter dimensional time traveler from Neptune then we could put >>> it in the Wiki?
>> If that's their standard for everyone else.
>> The point, for those too dense to grasp it, isn't whether the whole >> birth certificate thing is true. It's that Wikipedia apparently has >> two sets of standards for this sort of thing: one for politicians they >> like and one for politicians they don't.
>> A perfect example is the Reverend Wright issue. That wasn't >> substance-less innuendo at all. Obama himself went on national TV and >> admitted that Wright's comments were inappropriate and divisive. It >> was a huge news story and a significant part of the campaign. Yet try >> and even mention Wright on Obama's Wikipedia page and it gets deleted >> instantly.
> There's something worse than that--Obama is practicing revisionist > history on the economy. Bush came on TV and told us multiple times that > the economy is "strong" and just going through some rough patches. Now > Obama is trying to tell the nation that that was all bullshit. Are you > outraged over this, T-tos?
Do you LIKE a President who talks down the economy???
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:08:03 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote: >Gunner Asch wrote: >> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:42:28 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>> One assumes that all the rest have been looked at. On the other >>>> hand..Im rather sure that the question of citizenship has not been >>>> raised with any other president. Unless you have citations to some >>>> other presidential candidate that may have been born outside of the >>>> US? >>> John McCain
>> Born on US property. In the Canal Zone. All quite legal.
>I don't think so. He can only prove it to me if he shows me a copy of >his birth certificate.
He has already shown it to people who actually count in the grand scheme of things.
>> Next? >>>>>> And as I said...which one? I have two. >>>>>>>>>> And why have his relatives continued to maintain he was born in Kenya?
>>>>>>>>>> Inquiring minds really really want to know. >>>>>>>>> No, nut cases want to know. >>>>>>>> What are you so afraid of?
>>>>>>>> Methinks you doth protest far far too much. >>>>>>> Nah, you're just a fruitcake with two birth certificates, lol >>>>>> I do indeed have two. And apparently so does your Obamassiah. >>>>> Ok, since you're into showing proof so badly, put yours up on the >>>>> internet. But you won't. >>>> Im not running for president. When I do, you will be the first to see >>>> the valid one. I promise. >>>>>> What are you so afraid of?
>>>> Still no answer? Odd.....you seem desperately afraid of something >>>> about his birth certificate.
>>>> A simple release form and letting the media look at his actual birth >>>> certificate and the question would be solved once and for all.
>>>> Simple, no? >>> If it was so important, why did the RNC not challenge it?
>> Because other people are doing the heavy lifting. If rebuilding your >> engine is important, why do mechanics do it for you?
>Good non-answer.
It was a good answer. You just didnt like it. Big difference.
Laugh laugh laugh
>> Gunner
>> "Human nature is bad. Good is a human product >> A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced >> before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone >> before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected >> they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual >> and moral principles." >> —Sun Tzu
"Human nature is bad. Good is a human product A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual and moral principles." —Sun Tzu
>>On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:42:28 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>> One assumes that all the rest have been looked at. On the other >>>> hand..Im rather sure that the question of citizenship has not been >>>> raised with any other president. Unless you have citations to some >>>> other presidential candidate that may have been born outside of the >>>> US?
>>>John McCain
>>Born on US property. In the Canal Zone. All quite legal.
>But nobody ever examined his "original" birth certificate.
"Human nature is bad. Good is a human product A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual and moral principles." —Sun Tzu
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:10:00 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote: >charliekilo wrote: >> "trotsky" <gmsi...@email.com> wrote in message >> news:5zutl.10014$DP1.7682@attbi_s22... >>> FDR wrote: >>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:02:54 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:44:14 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in the >>>>>>>>>>>> U.S. >>>>>>>>>>>> after the politician refused to release to the public a carbon >>>>>>>>>>>> copy of >>>>>>>>>>>> his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he may >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed petitioning >>>>>>>>>>>> Obama >>>>>>>>>>>> to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been thrown >>>>>>>>>>>> out by >>>>>>>>>>>> the courts." >>>>>>>>>> And of course it's all innuendo without substance.
>>>>>>>>> If that were the case, why hasnt he simply done the simple thing and >>>>>>>>> released a copy of his actual birth certificate, instead of a clumsy >>>>>>>>> made up thingie? >>>>>>>> Does he need to also prove he's not from Mars if someone right wing >>>>>>>> nut says he is? His birth cerificate is on record and he's >>>>>>>> President, get used to it.
>>>>>>> "A" birth certificate is on record. But its not a valid one.
>>>>>>> I have 2 birth certificates. Both have different ages and names. One >>>>>>> is a fraud, the other is factual. >>>>>> Your full of shit, but that's expected. >>>>> Proof? Are you claiming that its not possible to get alternate forms >>>>> of ID. In fact I do have one that was gotten from a county office, >>>>> using the name of a child that was still born, two years before my own >>>>> actual date of birth. Its quite simple to do if one knows how. It can >>>>> complicate things in later years, if one is trying to get VA >>>>> benefits and so forth....
>>>>> Its also very easily done if you have lots of money and a party >>>>> machne behind you. >>>>>>> If I present the fraudulent one...is it something you wish to base the >>>>>>> office of the presidency on? And the fate of the Free World? >>>>>> You don't present it, it's what's on record with the government. >>>>> So when will Obamas actual birth certificate be revealed? >>>> When will all the other Presidents birth certificates be revealed?
>>> Right after Limbaugh releases his medical records.
>> Why should a private citizen ever release their records to the public?!
>Why does Obama have to release his birth certificate to the public when >it's not being challenged in court?
Its being challenged in quite a number of courts. Are you naturally stupid or is this an act?
"Human nature is bad. Good is a human product A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual and moral principles." —Sun Tzu
Gunner Asch wrote: > On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:08:03 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:42:28 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>> One assumes that all the rest have been looked at. On the other >>>>> hand..Im rather sure that the question of citizenship has not been >>>>> raised with any other president. Unless you have citations to some >>>>> other presidential candidate that may have been born outside of the >>>>> US? >>>> John McCain
>>> Born on US property. In the Canal Zone. All quite legal. >> I don't think so. He can only prove it to me if he shows me a copy of >> his birth certificate.
> He has already shown it to people who actually count in the grand > scheme of things.
>>> Next? >>>>>>> And as I said...which one? I have two. >>>>>>>>>>> And why have his relatives continued to maintain he was born in Kenya?
>>>>>>>>>>> Inquiring minds really really want to know. >>>>>>>>>> No, nut cases want to know. >>>>>>>>> What are you so afraid of?
>>>>>>>>> Methinks you doth protest far far too much. >>>>>>>> Nah, you're just a fruitcake with two birth certificates, lol >>>>>>> I do indeed have two. And apparently so does your Obamassiah. >>>>>> Ok, since you're into showing proof so badly, put yours up on the >>>>>> internet. But you won't. >>>>> Im not running for president. When I do, you will be the first to see >>>>> the valid one. I promise. >>>>>>> What are you so afraid of?
>>>>> Still no answer? Odd.....you seem desperately afraid of something >>>>> about his birth certificate.
>>>>> A simple release form and letting the media look at his actual birth >>>>> certificate and the question would be solved once and for all.
>>>>> Simple, no? >>>> If it was so important, why did the RNC not challenge it?
>>> Because other people are doing the heavy lifting. If rebuilding your >>> engine is important, why do mechanics do it for you? >> Good non-answer.
> It was a good answer. You just didnt like it. Big difference.
You get one more try to answer. If it was so important, why did the RNC not challenge it?
Gunner Asch wrote: > On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:10:00 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>> charliekilo wrote: >>> "trotsky" <gmsi...@email.com> wrote in message >>> news:5zutl.10014$DP1.7682@attbi_s22... >>>> FDR wrote: >>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:02:54 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:44:14 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> U.S. >>>>>>>>>>>>> after the politician refused to release to the public a carbon >>>>>>>>>>>>> copy of >>>>>>>>>>>>> his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he may >>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>> been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed petitioning >>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama >>>>>>>>>>>>> to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been thrown >>>>>>>>>>>>> out by >>>>>>>>>>>>> the courts." >>>>>>>>>>> And of course it's all innuendo without substance.
>>>>>>>>>> If that were the case, why hasnt he simply done the simple thing and >>>>>>>>>> released a copy of his actual birth certificate, instead of a clumsy >>>>>>>>>> made up thingie? >>>>>>>>> Does he need to also prove he's not from Mars if someone right wing >>>>>>>>> nut says he is? His birth cerificate is on record and he's >>>>>>>>> President, get used to it.
>>>>>>>> "A" birth certificate is on record. But its not a valid one.
>>>>>>>> I have 2 birth certificates. Both have different ages and names. One >>>>>>>> is a fraud, the other is factual. >>>>>>> Your full of shit, but that's expected. >>>>>> Proof? Are you claiming that its not possible to get alternate forms >>>>>> of ID. In fact I do have one that was gotten from a county office, >>>>>> using the name of a child that was still born, two years before my own >>>>>> actual date of birth. Its quite simple to do if one knows how. It can >>>>>> complicate things in later years, if one is trying to get VA >>>>>> benefits and so forth....
>>>>>> Its also very easily done if you have lots of money and a party >>>>>> machne behind you. >>>>>>>> If I present the fraudulent one...is it something you wish to base the >>>>>>>> office of the presidency on? And the fate of the Free World? >>>>>>> You don't present it, it's what's on record with the government. >>>>>> So when will Obamas actual birth certificate be revealed? >>>>> When will all the other Presidents birth certificates be revealed? >>>> Right after Limbaugh releases his medical records. >>> Why should a private citizen ever release their records to the public?!
>> Why does Obama have to release his birth certificate to the public when >> it's not being challenged in court?
> Its being challenged in quite a number of courts. Are you naturally > stupid or is this an act?
> "Human nature is bad. Good is a human product > A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced > before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone > before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected > they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual > and moral principles." > —Sun Tzu
Howard Johnson wrote: > trotsky wrote: >> FDR wrote: >>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:02:54 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:44:14 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in >>>>>>>>>>> the U.S. >>>>>>>>>>> after the politician refused to release to the public a >>>>>>>>>>> carbon copy of >>>>>>>>>>> his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he >>>>>>>>>>> may have >>>>>>>>>>> been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed >>>>>>>>>>> petitioning Obama >>>>>>>>>>> to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been >>>>>>>>>>> thrown out by >>>>>>>>>>> the courts." >>>>>>>>> And of course it's all innuendo without substance.
>>>>>>>> If that were the case, why hasnt he simply done the simple thing >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> released a copy of his actual birth certificate, instead of a >>>>>>>> clumsy >>>>>>>> made up thingie? >>>>>>> Does he need to also prove he's not from Mars if someone right >>>>>>> wing nut says he is? His birth cerificate is on record and he's >>>>>>> President, get used to it.
>>>>>> "A" birth certificate is on record. But its not a valid one.
>>>>>> I have 2 birth certificates. Both have different ages and names. One >>>>>> is a fraud, the other is factual. >>>>> Your full of shit, but that's expected.
>>>> Proof? Are you claiming that its not possible to get alternate forms >>>> of ID. In fact I do have one that was gotten from a county office, >>>> using the name of a child that was still born, two years before my own >>>> actual date of birth. Its quite simple to do if one knows how. It >>>> can complicate things in later years, if one is trying to get VA >>>> benefits and so forth....
>>>> Its also very easily done if you have lots of money and a party >>>> machne behind you. >>>>>> If I present the fraudulent one...is it something you wish to base >>>>>> the >>>>>> office of the presidency on? And the fate of the Free World? >>>>> You don't present it, it's what's on record with the government.
>>>> So when will Obamas actual birth certificate be revealed?
>>> When will all the other Presidents birth certificates be revealed?
>> Right after Limbaugh releases his medical records.
FDR wrote: > Howard Johnson wrote: >> trotsky wrote: >>> FDR wrote: >>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:02:54 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:44:14 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in >>>>>>>>>>>> the U.S. >>>>>>>>>>>> after the politician refused to release to the public a >>>>>>>>>>>> carbon copy of >>>>>>>>>>>> his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he >>>>>>>>>>>> may have >>>>>>>>>>>> been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed >>>>>>>>>>>> petitioning Obama >>>>>>>>>>>> to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been >>>>>>>>>>>> thrown out by >>>>>>>>>>>> the courts." >>>>>>>>>> And of course it's all innuendo without substance.
>>>>>>>>> If that were the case, why hasnt he simply done the simple >>>>>>>>> thing and >>>>>>>>> released a copy of his actual birth certificate, instead of a >>>>>>>>> clumsy >>>>>>>>> made up thingie? >>>>>>>> Does he need to also prove he's not from Mars if someone right >>>>>>>> wing nut says he is? His birth cerificate is on record and he's >>>>>>>> President, get used to it.
>>>>>>> "A" birth certificate is on record. But its not a valid one.
>>>>>>> I have 2 birth certificates. Both have different ages and names. >>>>>>> One >>>>>>> is a fraud, the other is factual. >>>>>> Your full of shit, but that's expected.
>>>>> Proof? Are you claiming that its not possible to get alternate forms >>>>> of ID. In fact I do have one that was gotten from a county office, >>>>> using the name of a child that was still born, two years before my own >>>>> actual date of birth. Its quite simple to do if one knows how. It >>>>> can complicate things in later years, if one is trying to get VA >>>>> benefits and so forth....
>>>>> Its also very easily done if you have lots of money and a party >>>>> machne behind you. >>>>>>> If I present the fraudulent one...is it something you wish to >>>>>>> base the >>>>>>> office of the presidency on? And the fate of the Free World? >>>>>> You don't present it, it's what's on record with the government.
>>>>> So when will Obamas actual birth certificate be revealed?
>>>> When will all the other Presidents birth certificates be revealed?
>>> Right after Limbaugh releases his medical records.
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:12:49 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote: >Gunner Asch wrote: >> On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:08:03 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:42:28 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>> One assumes that all the rest have been looked at. On the other >>>>>> hand..Im rather sure that the question of citizenship has not been >>>>>> raised with any other president. Unless you have citations to some >>>>>> other presidential candidate that may have been born outside of the >>>>>> US? >>>>> John McCain
>>>> Born on US property. In the Canal Zone. All quite legal. >>> I don't think so. He can only prove it to me if he shows me a copy of >>> his birth certificate.
>> He has already shown it to people who actually count in the grand >> scheme of things.
>>>> Next? >>>>>>>> And as I said...which one? I have two. >>>>>>>>>>>> And why have his relatives continued to maintain he was born in Kenya?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Inquiring minds really really want to know. >>>>>>>>>>> No, nut cases want to know. >>>>>>>>>> What are you so afraid of?
>>>>>>>>>> Methinks you doth protest far far too much. >>>>>>>>> Nah, you're just a fruitcake with two birth certificates, lol >>>>>>>> I do indeed have two. And apparently so does your Obamassiah. >>>>>>> Ok, since you're into showing proof so badly, put yours up on the >>>>>>> internet. But you won't. >>>>>> Im not running for president. When I do, you will be the first to see >>>>>> the valid one. I promise. >>>>>>>> What are you so afraid of?
>>>>>> Still no answer? Odd.....you seem desperately afraid of something >>>>>> about his birth certificate.
>>>>>> A simple release form and letting the media look at his actual birth >>>>>> certificate and the question would be solved once and for all.
>>>>>> Simple, no? >>>>> If it was so important, why did the RNC not challenge it?
>>>> Because other people are doing the heavy lifting. If rebuilding your >>>> engine is important, why do mechanics do it for you? >>> Good non-answer.
>> It was a good answer. You just didnt like it. Big difference.
>You get one more try to answer. If it was so important, why did the RNC >not challenge it?
Because other people are challenging it. Why does the NRA not challenge free speech issues?
Gunner
"Human nature is bad. Good is a human product A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual and moral principles." —Sun Tzu
Taitz explained the issue isn't resolved as many Obama supporters claim.
The "Certification of Live Birth" posted on the Internet actually doesn't confirm a birth location.
"[Hawaii] statute 138 allows foreign born children of HI residents to get HI [Certificates of Live Birth] and get them based on a statement of one relative only," she said.
She also said Hawaiian officials, while they confirmed a birth certificate exists, did not exclude the possibility it was "one obtained for a foreign born child."
She also cited Obama's immigration to Indonesia at age 5, when he was considered an Indonesian citizen.
And something that raises some serious questions.......
WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi had gone to both Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions, the biggest being why, if there exists documentation of Obama's eligibility, hasn't it been released to quell the rumors.
Instead, a series of law firms have been hired on Obama's behalf around the nation to prevent any public access to his birth certificate, passport records, college records and other documents.
What are the Democrats so afraid of? Sealed his college records and so forth?
Why not simply release a true copy of his birth certificate, and save the taxpayers a huge amount of money and allay all suspiciions?
Gunner
"Human nature is bad. Good is a human product A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual and moral principles." —Sun Tzu
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:15:32 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote: >Howard Johnson wrote: >> trotsky wrote: >>> FDR wrote: >>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:02:54 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:44:14 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in >>>>>>>>>>>> the U.S. >>>>>>>>>>>> after the politician refused to release to the public a >>>>>>>>>>>> carbon copy of >>>>>>>>>>>> his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he >>>>>>>>>>>> may have >>>>>>>>>>>> been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed >>>>>>>>>>>> petitioning Obama >>>>>>>>>>>> to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been >>>>>>>>>>>> thrown out by >>>>>>>>>>>> the courts." >>>>>>>>>> And of course it's all innuendo without substance.
>>>>>>>>> If that were the case, why hasnt he simply done the simple thing >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> released a copy of his actual birth certificate, instead of a >>>>>>>>> clumsy >>>>>>>>> made up thingie? >>>>>>>> Does he need to also prove he's not from Mars if someone right >>>>>>>> wing nut says he is? His birth cerificate is on record and he's >>>>>>>> President, get used to it.
>>>>>>> "A" birth certificate is on record. But its not a valid one.
>>>>>>> I have 2 birth certificates. Both have different ages and names. One >>>>>>> is a fraud, the other is factual. >>>>>> Your full of shit, but that's expected.
>>>>> Proof? Are you claiming that its not possible to get alternate forms >>>>> of ID. In fact I do have one that was gotten from a county office, >>>>> using the name of a child that was still born, two years before my own >>>>> actual date of birth. Its quite simple to do if one knows how. It >>>>> can complicate things in later years, if one is trying to get VA >>>>> benefits and so forth....
>>>>> Its also very easily done if you have lots of money and a party >>>>> machne behind you. >>>>>>> If I present the fraudulent one...is it something you wish to base >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> office of the presidency on? And the fate of the Free World? >>>>>> You don't present it, it's what's on record with the government.
>>>>> So when will Obamas actual birth certificate be revealed?
>>>> When will all the other Presidents birth certificates be revealed?
>>> Right after Limbaugh releases his medical records.
>> Is HE the President?
>The way the RNC acts you'd think he was.
Actually..its been the DNC and its spokes holes that are trying to make the case his is the defacto leader of the GOP.
Limbaugh himself only claims to be an entertainer.
Gunner
"Human nature is bad. Good is a human product A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual and moral principles." —Sun Tzu
Gunner Asch wrote: > On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:12:49 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>> On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:08:03 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:42:28 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>> One assumes that all the rest have been looked at. On the other >>>>>>> hand..Im rather sure that the question of citizenship has not been >>>>>>> raised with any other president. Unless you have citations to some >>>>>>> other presidential candidate that may have been born outside of the >>>>>>> US? >>>>>> John McCain >>>>> Born on US property. In the Canal Zone. All quite legal. >>>> I don't think so. He can only prove it to me if he shows me a copy of >>>> his birth certificate. >>> He has already shown it to people who actually count in the grand >>> scheme of things. >> Like?
>>>>> Next? >>>>>>>>> And as I said...which one? I have two. >>>>>>>>>>>>> And why have his relatives continued to maintain he was born in Kenya?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inquiring minds really really want to know. >>>>>>>>>>>> No, nut cases want to know. >>>>>>>>>>> What are you so afraid of?
>>>>>>>>>>> Methinks you doth protest far far too much. >>>>>>>>>> Nah, you're just a fruitcake with two birth certificates, lol >>>>>>>>> I do indeed have two. And apparently so does your Obamassiah. >>>>>>>> Ok, since you're into showing proof so badly, put yours up on the >>>>>>>> internet. But you won't. >>>>>>> Im not running for president. When I do, you will be the first to see >>>>>>> the valid one. I promise. >>>>>>>>> What are you so afraid of?
>>>>>>> Still no answer? Odd.....you seem desperately afraid of something >>>>>>> about his birth certificate.
>>>>>>> A simple release form and letting the media look at his actual birth >>>>>>> certificate and the question would be solved once and for all.
>>>>>>> Simple, no? >>>>>> If it was so important, why did the RNC not challenge it? >>>>> Because other people are doing the heavy lifting. If rebuilding your >>>>> engine is important, why do mechanics do it for you? >>>> Good non-answer. >>> It was a good answer. You just didnt like it. Big difference. >> You get one more try to answer. If it was so important, why did the RNC >> not challenge it?
> Because other people are challenging it. Why does the NRA not > challenge free speech issues?
> Gunner
> "Human nature is bad. Good is a human product > A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced > before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone > before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected > they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual > and moral principles." > —Sun Tzu
> Some are still pending according to the article.
> Taitz explained the issue isn't resolved as many Obama supporters > claim.
> The "Certification of Live Birth" posted on the Internet actually > doesn't confirm a birth location.
> "[Hawaii] statute 138 allows foreign born children of HI residents to > get HI [Certificates of Live Birth] and get them based on a statement > of one relative only," she said.
> She also said Hawaiian officials, while they confirmed a birth > certificate exists, did not exclude the possibility it was "one > obtained for a foreign born child."
> She also cited Obama's immigration to Indonesia at age 5, when he was > considered an Indonesian citizen.
> And something that raises some serious questions.......
> WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi had gone to both Kenya and Hawaii > prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. > But his research and discoveries only raised more questions, the > biggest being why, if there exists documentation of Obama's > eligibility, hasn't it been released to quell the rumors.
> Instead, a series of law firms have been hired on Obama's behalf > around the nation to prevent any public access to his birth > certificate, passport records, college records and other documents.
> What are the Democrats so afraid of? Sealed his college records and > so forth?
> Why not simply release a true copy of his birth certificate, and save > the taxpayers a huge amount of money and allay all suspiciions?
> Gunner
Here's a real simple question. Who are the Plaintiffs names, who is their legal representation, and what court is hearing the case?
> "Human nature is bad. Good is a human product > A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced > before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone > before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected > they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual > and moral principles." > —Sun Tzu
Gunner Asch wrote: > On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:15:32 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>> Howard Johnson wrote: >>> trotsky wrote: >>>> FDR wrote: >>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:02:54 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:44:14 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the U.S. >>>>>>>>>>>>> after the politician refused to release to the public a >>>>>>>>>>>>> carbon copy of >>>>>>>>>>>>> his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he >>>>>>>>>>>>> may have >>>>>>>>>>>>> been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed >>>>>>>>>>>>> petitioning Obama >>>>>>>>>>>>> to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been >>>>>>>>>>>>> thrown out by >>>>>>>>>>>>> the courts." >>>>>>>>>>> And of course it's all innuendo without substance.
>>>>>>>>>> If that were the case, why hasnt he simply done the simple thing >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> released a copy of his actual birth certificate, instead of a >>>>>>>>>> clumsy >>>>>>>>>> made up thingie? >>>>>>>>> Does he need to also prove he's not from Mars if someone right >>>>>>>>> wing nut says he is? His birth cerificate is on record and he's >>>>>>>>> President, get used to it.
>>>>>>>> "A" birth certificate is on record. But its not a valid one.
>>>>>>>> I have 2 birth certificates. Both have different ages and names. One >>>>>>>> is a fraud, the other is factual. >>>>>>> Your full of shit, but that's expected. >>>>>> Proof? Are you claiming that its not possible to get alternate forms >>>>>> of ID. In fact I do have one that was gotten from a county office, >>>>>> using the name of a child that was still born, two years before my own >>>>>> actual date of birth. Its quite simple to do if one knows how. It >>>>>> can complicate things in later years, if one is trying to get VA >>>>>> benefits and so forth....
>>>>>> Its also very easily done if you have lots of money and a party >>>>>> machne behind you. >>>>>>>> If I present the fraudulent one...is it something you wish to base >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> office of the presidency on? And the fate of the Free World? >>>>>>> You don't present it, it's what's on record with the government. >>>>>> So when will Obamas actual birth certificate be revealed? >>>>> When will all the other Presidents birth certificates be revealed?
>>>> Right after Limbaugh releases his medical records. >>> Is HE the President? >> The way the RNC acts you'd think he was.
> Actually..its been the DNC and its spokes holes that are trying to > make the case his is the defacto leader of the GOP.
> Limbaugh himself only claims to be an entertainer.
Then why is the RNC chair apologizing to a mere entertainer?
> "Human nature is bad. Good is a human product > A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced > before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone > before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected > they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual > and moral principles." > —Sun Tzu
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:31:32 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote: >Gunner Asch wrote: >> On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:12:49 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>> On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:08:03 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:42:28 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>>> One assumes that all the rest have been looked at. On the other >>>>>>>> hand..Im rather sure that the question of citizenship has not been >>>>>>>> raised with any other president. Unless you have citations to some >>>>>>>> other presidential candidate that may have been born outside of the >>>>>>>> US? >>>>>>> John McCain >>>>>> Born on US property. In the Canal Zone. All quite legal. >>>>> I don't think so. He can only prove it to me if he shows me a copy of >>>>> his birth certificate. >>>> He has already shown it to people who actually count in the grand >>>> scheme of things. >>> Like?
>>>>>> Next? >>>>>>>>>> And as I said...which one? I have two. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And why have his relatives continued to maintain he was born in Kenya?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inquiring minds really really want to know. >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, nut cases want to know. >>>>>>>>>>>> What are you so afraid of?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Methinks you doth protest far far too much. >>>>>>>>>>> Nah, you're just a fruitcake with two birth certificates, lol >>>>>>>>>> I do indeed have two. And apparently so does your Obamassiah. >>>>>>>>> Ok, since you're into showing proof so badly, put yours up on the >>>>>>>>> internet. But you won't. >>>>>>>> Im not running for president. When I do, you will be the first to see >>>>>>>> the valid one. I promise. >>>>>>>>>> What are you so afraid of?
>>>>>>>> Still no answer? Odd.....you seem desperately afraid of something >>>>>>>> about his birth certificate.
>>>>>>>> A simple release form and letting the media look at his actual birth >>>>>>>> certificate and the question would be solved once and for all.
>>>>>>>> Simple, no? >>>>>>> If it was so important, why did the RNC not challenge it? >>>>>> Because other people are doing the heavy lifting. If rebuilding your >>>>>> engine is important, why do mechanics do it for you? >>>>> Good non-answer. >>>> It was a good answer. You just didnt like it. Big difference. >>> You get one more try to answer. If it was so important, why did the RNC >>> not challenge it?
>> Because other people are challenging it. Why does the NRA not >> challenge free speech issues?
>> Gunner
>> "Human nature is bad. Good is a human product >> A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced >> before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone >> before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected >> they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual >> and moral principles." >> —Sun Tzu
"Human nature is bad. Good is a human product A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual and moral principles." —Sun Tzu
>> Some are still pending according to the article.
>> Taitz explained the issue isn't resolved as many Obama supporters >> claim.
>> The "Certification of Live Birth" posted on the Internet actually >> doesn't confirm a birth location.
>> "[Hawaii] statute 138 allows foreign born children of HI residents to >> get HI [Certificates of Live Birth] and get them based on a statement >> of one relative only," she said.
>> She also said Hawaiian officials, while they confirmed a birth >> certificate exists, did not exclude the possibility it was "one >> obtained for a foreign born child."
>> She also cited Obama's immigration to Indonesia at age 5, when he was >> considered an Indonesian citizen.
>> And something that raises some serious questions.......
>> WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi had gone to both Kenya and Hawaii >> prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. >> But his research and discoveries only raised more questions, the >> biggest being why, if there exists documentation of Obama's >> eligibility, hasn't it been released to quell the rumors.
>> Instead, a series of law firms have been hired on Obama's behalf >> around the nation to prevent any public access to his birth >> certificate, passport records, college records and other documents.
>> What are the Democrats so afraid of? Sealed his college records and >> so forth?
>> Why not simply release a true copy of his birth certificate, and save >> the taxpayers a huge amount of money and allay all suspiciions?
>> Gunner
>Here's a real simple question. Who are the Plaintiffs names, who is >their legal representation, and what court is hearing the case?
I see you didnt review the article. Plaintiffs are clearly indicated
As to the courts, no idea except as noted in the article.
Gunner
>> "Human nature is bad. Good is a human product >> A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced >> before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone >> before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected >> they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual >> and moral principles." >> —Sun Tzu
"Human nature is bad. Good is a human product A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual and moral principles." —Sun Tzu
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