Gunner Asch wrote: > On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:41:00 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>> It can complicate things in later years, if one is trying to get VA >>> benefits and so forth....
>>> Its also very easily done if you have lots of money and a party >>> machne behind you. >>>>> If I present the fraudulent one...is it something you wish to base the >>>>> office of the presidency on? And the fate of the Free World? >>>> You don't present it, it's what's on record with the government. >>> So when will Obamas actual birth certificate be revealed? >> When will all the other Presidents birth certificates be revealed? Is >> this a standard that has been applied universally or just for the guy >> you don't like?
> One assumes that all the rest have been looked at. On the other > hand..Im rather sure that the question of citizenship has not been > raised with any other president. Unless you have citations to some > other presidential candidate that may have been born outside of the > US? >>> And as I said...which one? I have two. >>>>>>> And why have his relatives continued to maintain he was born in Kenya?
>>>>>>> Inquiring minds really really want to know. >>>>>> No, nut cases want to know. >>>>> What are you so afraid of?
>>>>> Methinks you doth protest far far too much. >>>> Nah, you're just a fruitcake with two birth certificates, lol >>> I do indeed have two. And apparently so does your Obamassiah. >> Ok, since you're into showing proof so badly, put yours up on the >> internet. But you won't.
> Im not running for president. When I do, you will be the first to see > the valid one. I promise.
hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com wrote: > On Mar 9, 7:02 pm, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote: >> Gunner Asch wrote: >>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:44:14 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote: >>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote: >>>>>>>> "There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in the U.S. >>>>>>>> after the politician refused to release to the public a carbon copy of >>>>>>>> his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he may have >>>>>>>> been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed petitioning Obama >>>>>>>> to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been thrown out by >>>>>>>> the courts." >>>>>> And of course it's all innuendo without substance. >>>>> If that were the case, why hasnt he simply done the simple thing and >>>>> released a copy of his actual birth certificate, instead of a clumsy >>>>> made up thingie? >>>> Does he need to also prove he's not from Mars if someone right wing nut >>>> says he is? His birth cerificate is on record and he's President, get >>>> used to it. >>> "A" birth certificate is on record. But its not a valid one. >>> I have 2 birth certificates. Both have different ages and names. One >>> is a fraud, the other is factual. >> Your full of shit, but that's expected.
> You're full of it.
>>> If I present the fraudulent one...is it something you wish to base the >>> office of the presidency on? And the fate of the Free World? >> You don't present it, it's what's on record with the government.
> So every time a government entity asked for my birth certificate I > could have said "You already have it?"
Yes, they have a record of it and you can get a copy from them.
>>>>> And why have his relatives continued to maintain he was born in Kenya? >>>>> Inquiring minds really really want to know. >>>> No, nut cases want to know. >>> What are you so afraid of? >>> Methinks you doth protest far far too much. >> Nah, you're just a fruitcake with two birth certificates, lol
> Some think the same of Obama. What are you afraid of?
In article <v2fbr45gfnrcsm0asp5g7dgm53jiqaj...@4ax.com>, David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:49:10 -0400, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
> >A perfect example is the Reverend Wright issue. That wasn't > >substance-less innuendo at all. Obama himself went on national TV and > >admitted that Wright's comments were inappropriate and divisive. It was > >a huge news story and a significant part of the campaign. Yet try and > >even mention Wright on Obama's Wikipedia page and it gets deleted > >instantly.
> Before writing that, did the thought ever cross your mind that it > might be an idea to check the wikipedia entry and see whether Wright > is mentioned in it? I did. He was.
It wasn't as of yesterday when this story came out. Perhaps Wikipedia is feeling some heat and put it back.
David Johnston wrote: > On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:49:10 -0400, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
>> A perfect example is the Reverend Wright issue. That wasn't >> substance-less innuendo at all. Obama himself went on national TV and >> admitted that Wright's comments were inappropriate and divisive. It was >> a huge news story and a significant part of the campaign. Yet try and >> even mention Wright on Obama's Wikipedia page and it gets deleted >> instantly.
> Before writing that, did the thought ever cross your mind that it > might be an idea to check the wikipedia entry and see whether Wright > is mentioned in it? I did. He was.
Thantos knows all. He knows it wasn't allowed there somehow, I guess he broke into the Wiki databse. Then its there but it's just your imagination.
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:48:35 -0400, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote: >In article <v2fbr45gfnrcsm0asp5g7dgm53jiqaj...@4ax.com>, > David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:49:10 -0400, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
>> >A perfect example is the Reverend Wright issue. That wasn't >> >substance-less innuendo at all. Obama himself went on national TV and >> >admitted that Wright's comments were inappropriate and divisive. It was >> >a huge news story and a significant part of the campaign. Yet try and >> >even mention Wright on Obama's Wikipedia page and it gets deleted >> >instantly.
>> Before writing that, did the thought ever cross your mind that it >> might be an idea to check the wikipedia entry and see whether Wright >> is mentioned in it? I did. He was.
>It wasn't as of yesterday when this story came out.
Before writing that, did the thought ever cross your mind to check the page history for the entry to see whether the claim you were making was true? I did. You can do it too. The reference to Reverend Wright was there yesterday.
Howard Johnson wrote: > David Johnston wrote: >> On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:09:34 -0500, "charliekilo" >> <miles_kra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Obama presented a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth...which is NOT a >>> birth certificate in the state of Hawaii. The Birth Certificate he >>> provided was a cobbled together certificate and was proven not to be >>> legit. Then when he went to visit his dying mother in Hawaii several >>> months ago, he met with the governor of Hawaii...and for some reason, >>> the governor "sealed" the record and the Certificate will never be seen.
>> The problem with that is, it's a lie. The governor never "sealed" the >> record because original birth records were never open to viewing by >> the public in the first place.
> That's my impression also.
>
Courts, law enforcement, family, FBI, BATF, DOD, IRS and a hundred other agencies can order that a birth certificate be produced.
In this case the Obama-Soetoro Hawaiian birth certificate doesn't exist.
The fact that Obama-Soetoro cannot or will not meet the Constitutional qualification challenge, means that he is NOT the president of the US.
In fact, since the Congress has abdicated, the federal government itself is illegitimate.
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:11:26 +0000, David Johnston wrote: > On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:48:35 -0400, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
>>In article <v2fbr45gfnrcsm0asp5g7dgm53jiqaj...@4ax.com>, >> David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:49:10 -0400, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
>>> >A perfect example is the Reverend Wright issue. That wasn't >>> >substance-less innuendo at all. Obama himself went on national TV and >>> >admitted that Wright's comments were inappropriate and divisive. It >>> >was a huge news story and a significant part of the campaign. Yet try >>> >and even mention Wright on Obama's Wikipedia page and it gets deleted >>> >instantly.
>>> Before writing that, did the thought ever cross your mind that it >>> might be an idea to check the wikipedia entry and see whether Wright >>> is mentioned in it? I did. He was.
>>It wasn't as of yesterday when this story came out.
> Before writing that, did the thought ever cross your mind to check the > page history for the entry to see whether the claim you were making was > true? I did. You can do it too. The reference to Reverend Wright was > there yesterday.
> hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com wrote: > > On Mar 9, 7:02 pm, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote: > >> You don't present it, it's what's on record with the government.
> > So every time a government entity asked for my birth certificate I > > could have said "You already have it?"
> Yes, they have a record of it and you can get a copy from them.
You just contradicted yourself. TMT, just how many aliases do you have?
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:42:28 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>> One assumes that all the rest have been looked at. On the other >> hand..Im rather sure that the question of citizenship has not been >> raised with any other president. Unless you have citations to some >> other presidential candidate that may have been born outside of the >> US?
>John McCain
Born on US property. In the Canal Zone. All quite legal.
>>>> And as I said...which one? I have two. >>>>>>>> And why have his relatives continued to maintain he was born in Kenya?
>>>>>>>> Inquiring minds really really want to know. >>>>>>> No, nut cases want to know. >>>>>> What are you so afraid of?
>>>>>> Methinks you doth protest far far too much. >>>>> Nah, you're just a fruitcake with two birth certificates, lol >>>> I do indeed have two. And apparently so does your Obamassiah. >>> Ok, since you're into showing proof so badly, put yours up on the >>> internet. But you won't.
>> Im not running for president. When I do, you will be the first to see >> the valid one. I promise. >>>> What are you so afraid of?
>> Still no answer? Odd.....you seem desperately afraid of something >> about his birth certificate.
>> A simple release form and letting the media look at his actual birth >> certificate and the question would be solved once and for all.
>> Simple, no?
>If it was so important, why did the RNC not challenge it?
Because other people are doing the heavy lifting. If rebuilding your engine is important, why do mechanics do it for you?
Gunner
"Human nature is bad. Good is a human product A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual and moral principles." —Sun Tzu
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:44:09 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote: >> One assumes that all the rest have been looked at. On the other >> hand..Im rather sure that the question of citizenship has not been >> raised with any other president. Unless you have citations to some >> other presidential candidate that may have been born outside of the >> US? >>>> And as I said...which one? I have two. >>>>>>>> And why have his relatives continued to maintain he was born in Kenya?
>>>>>>>> Inquiring minds really really want to know. >>>>>>> No, nut cases want to know. >>>>>> What are you so afraid of?
>>>>>> Methinks you doth protest far far too much. >>>>> Nah, you're just a fruitcake with two birth certificates, lol >>>> I do indeed have two. And apparently so does your Obamassiah. >>> Ok, since you're into showing proof so badly, put yours up on the >>> internet. But you won't.
>> Im not running for president. When I do, you will be the first to see >> the valid one. I promise.
"Human nature is bad. Good is a human product A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual and moral principles." —Sun Tzu
> On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:11:26 +0000, David Johnston wrote:
> > On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:48:35 -0400, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
> >>In article <v2fbr45gfnrcsm0asp5g7dgm53jiqaj...@4ax.com>, > >> David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:49:10 -0400, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
> >>> >A perfect example is the Reverend Wright issue. That wasn't > >>> >substance-less innuendo at all. Obama himself went on national TV and > >>> >admitted that Wright's comments were inappropriate and divisive. It > >>> >was a huge news story and a significant part of the campaign. Yet try > >>> >and even mention Wright on Obama's Wikipedia page and it gets deleted > >>> >instantly.
> >>> Before writing that, did the thought ever cross your mind that it > >>> might be an idea to check the wikipedia entry and see whether Wright > >>> is mentioned in it? I did. He was.
> >>It wasn't as of yesterday when this story came out.
> > Before writing that, did the thought ever cross your mind to check the > > page history for the entry to see whether the claim you were making was > > true? I did. You can do it too. The reference to Reverend Wright was > > there yesterday.
> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:48:35 -0400, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
> >In article <v2fbr45gfnrcsm0asp5g7dgm53jiqaj...@4ax.com>, > > David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:49:10 -0400, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
> >> >A perfect example is the Reverend Wright issue. That wasn't > >> >substance-less innuendo at all. Obama himself went on national TV and > >> >admitted that Wright's comments were inappropriate and divisive. It was > >> >a huge news story and a significant part of the campaign. Yet try and > >> >even mention Wright on Obama's Wikipedia page and it gets deleted > >> >instantly.
> >> Before writing that, did the thought ever cross your mind that it > >> might be an idea to check the wikipedia entry and see whether Wright > >> is mentioned in it? I did. He was.
> >It wasn't as of yesterday when this story came out.
> Before writing that, did the thought ever cross your mind to check the > page history for the entry to see whether the claim you were making > was true? I did. You can do it too. The reference to Reverend > Wright was there yesterday.
LOL! So this is what you're talking about:
"Obama resigned from Trinity during the Presidential campaign after controversial statements made by Rev. Jeremiah Wright became public."
Leaving aside how one can "resign" from a church in which one is not employed, there's nothing there about the statements, nothing about the credibility issues surrounding Obama's claims of how long he attended the church without knowing about them, nothing about the speeches he gave on national TV, first standing by Wright, then throwing him under the bus when the political firestorm failed to die down.
And Bill Ayers is still missing in action completely from Obama's page, which is another issue that (true or not) had a significant impact on the presidential campaign, was addressed directly by Obama, was extensively reported in legitimate media, and which isn't even mentioned on the Obama Wikipedia page and is deleted the moment anyone tries to add it.
FDR wrote: > Gunner Asch wrote: >> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:02:54 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:44:14 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in >>>>>>>>> the U.S. >>>>>>>>> after the politician refused to release to the public a carbon >>>>>>>>> copy of >>>>>>>>> his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he may >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed >>>>>>>>> petitioning Obama >>>>>>>>> to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been >>>>>>>>> thrown out by >>>>>>>>> the courts." >>>>>>> And of course it's all innuendo without substance.
>>>>>> If that were the case, why hasnt he simply done the simple thing and >>>>>> released a copy of his actual birth certificate, instead of a clumsy >>>>>> made up thingie? >>>>> Does he need to also prove he's not from Mars if someone right wing >>>>> nut says he is? His birth cerificate is on record and he's >>>>> President, get used to it.
>>>> "A" birth certificate is on record. But its not a valid one.
>>>> I have 2 birth certificates. Both have different ages and names. One >>>> is a fraud, the other is factual. >>> Your full of shit, but that's expected.
>> Proof? Are you claiming that its not possible to get alternate forms >> of ID. In fact I do have one that was gotten from a county office, >> using the name of a child that was still born, two years before my own >> actual date of birth. Its quite simple to do if one knows how. >> It can complicate things in later years, if one is trying to get VA >> benefits and so forth....
>> Its also very easily done if you have lots of money and a party >> machne behind you. >>>> If I present the fraudulent one...is it something you wish to base the >>>> office of the presidency on? And the fate of the Free World? >>> You don't present it, it's what's on record with the government.
>> So when will Obamas actual birth certificate be revealed?
> When will all the other Presidents birth certificates be revealed?
Right after Limbaugh releases his medical records.
>>>>>> Wikipedia, the online "free encyclopedia" mega-site written and edited >>>>>> entirely by its users, has been deleting within minutes any mention of >>>>>> eligibility issues surrounding Barack Obama's presidency, with >>>>>> administrators kicking off anyone who writes about the subject, WND has >>>>>> learned.
>>>>>> A perusal through Obama's current Wikipedia entry finds a heavily >>>>>> guarded, mostly glowing biography about the U.S. president. Some of >>>>>> Obama's most controversial past affiliations, including with Rev. >>>>>> Jeremiah Wright and former Weathermen terrorist Bill Ayers, are not once >>>>>> mentioned, even though those associations received much news media >>>>>> attention and served as dominant themes during the presidential >>>>>> elections last year.
>>>>>> Also completely lacking is any mention of the well-publicized concerns >>>>>> surrounding Obama's eligibility to serve as commander-in-chief.
>>>>>> Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or that he fulfills >>>>>> the "natural-born American" clause in the Constitution? If you still >>>>>> want to see it, join more than 300,000 others and sign up now!
>>>>>> Indeed, multiple times, Wikipedia users who wrote about the eligibility >>>>>> issues had their entries deleted almost immediately and were banned from >>>>>> re-posting any material on the website for three days.
>>>>>> In one example, Wikipedia user "Jerusalem21" added the following to >>>>>> Obama's page:
>>>>>> "There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in the U.S. >>>>>> after the politician refused to release to the public a carbon copy of >>>>>> his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he may have >>>>>> been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed petitioning Obama >>>>>> to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been thrown out by >>>>>> the courts." >>>> And of course it's all innuendo without substance. >>> And of course Wikipedia doesn't censor that kind of thing on the pages >>> of politicians with whom they philosophically disagree if the >>> substance-less innuendo has been reported by significant media sources. >> So if enough news organizations said there was innuendo that Obama was >> an inter dimensional time traveler from Neptune then we could put it in >> the Wiki?
> If that's their standard for everyone else.
> The point, for those too dense to grasp it, isn't whether the whole > birth certificate thing is true. It's that Wikipedia apparently has two > sets of standards for this sort of thing: one for politicians they like > and one for politicians they don't.
> A perfect example is the Reverend Wright issue. That wasn't > substance-less innuendo at all. Obama himself went on national TV and > admitted that Wright's comments were inappropriate and divisive. It was > a huge news story and a significant part of the campaign. Yet try and > even mention Wright on Obama's Wikipedia page and it gets deleted > instantly.
There's something worse than that--Obama is practicing revisionist history on the economy. Bush came on TV and told us multiple times that the economy is "strong" and just going through some rough patches. Now Obama is trying to tell the nation that that was all bullshit. Are you outraged over this, T-tos?
FDR wrote: > Gunner Asch wrote: >> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>>>> "There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in the U.S. >>>>> after the politician refused to release to the public a carbon copy of >>>>> his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he may have >>>>> been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed petitioning >>>>> Obama >>>>> to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been thrown >>>>> out by >>>>> the courts." >>> And of course it's all innuendo without substance.
>> If that were the case, why hasnt he simply done the simple thing and >> released a copy of his actual birth certificate, instead of a clumsy >> made up thingie?
> Does he need to also prove he's not from Mars if someone right wing nut > says he is? His birth cerificate is on record and he's President, get > used to it.
Even the dimmest of bulbs has to realize that if Bush wasn't impeached then we're in the clear with Obama. I don't care where the hell he was born.
>>>> Wikipedia, the online "free encyclopedia" mega-site written and edited >>>> entirely by its users, has been deleting within minutes any mention of >>>> eligibility issues surrounding Barack Obama's presidency, with >>>> administrators kicking off anyone who writes about the subject, WND has >>>> learned.
>>>> A perusal through Obama's current Wikipedia entry finds a heavily >>>> guarded, mostly glowing biography about the U.S. president. Some of >>>> Obama's most controversial past affiliations, including with Rev. >>>> Jeremiah Wright and former Weathermen terrorist Bill Ayers, are not once >>>> mentioned, even though those associations received much news media >>>> attention and served as dominant themes during the presidential >>>> elections last year.
>>>> Also completely lacking is any mention of the well-publicized concerns >>>> surrounding Obama's eligibility to serve as commander-in-chief.
>>>> Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or that he fulfills >>>> the "natural-born American" clause in the Constitution? If you still >>>> want to see it, join more than 300,000 others and sign up now!
>>>> Indeed, multiple times, Wikipedia users who wrote about the eligibility >>>> issues had their entries deleted almost immediately and were banned from >>>> re-posting any material on the website for three days.
>>>> In one example, Wikipedia user "Jerusalem21" added the following to >>>> Obama's page:
>>>> "There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in the U.S. >>>> after the politician refused to release to the public a carbon copy of >>>> his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he may have >>>> been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed petitioning Obama >>>> to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been thrown out by >>>> the courts." >> And of course it's all innuendo without substance.
> And of course Wikipedia doesn't censor that kind of thing on the pages > of politicians with whom they philosophically disagree if the > substance-less innuendo has been reported by significant media sources.
Wait, you do realize how Wikipedia works, right? That entries can be changed at any time? Did that "coldest winter" freeze your brain, brainiac?
Thanatos wrote: > In article <v2fbr45gfnrcsm0asp5g7dgm53jiqaj...@4ax.com>, > David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:49:10 -0400, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
>>> A perfect example is the Reverend Wright issue. That wasn't >>> substance-less innuendo at all. Obama himself went on national TV and >>> admitted that Wright's comments were inappropriate and divisive. It was >>> a huge news story and a significant part of the campaign. Yet try and >>> even mention Wright on Obama's Wikipedia page and it gets deleted >>> instantly. >> Before writing that, did the thought ever cross your mind that it >> might be an idea to check the wikipedia entry and see whether Wright >> is mentioned in it? I did. He was.
> It wasn't as of yesterday when this story came out. Perhaps Wikipedia is > feeling some heat and put it back.
Heat from the wing nuts? Were they threatened with being poked with the soft cushions?
Thanatos wrote: > In article <0hpbr4pii7a2i0jbauut6a1d3mr6s43...@4ax.com>, > David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:48:35 -0400, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
>>> In article <v2fbr45gfnrcsm0asp5g7dgm53jiqaj...@4ax.com>, >>> David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:49:10 -0400, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>> A perfect example is the Reverend Wright issue. That wasn't >>>>> substance-less innuendo at all. Obama himself went on national TV and >>>>> admitted that Wright's comments were inappropriate and divisive. It was >>>>> a huge news story and a significant part of the campaign. Yet try and >>>>> even mention Wright on Obama's Wikipedia page and it gets deleted >>>>> instantly. >>>> Before writing that, did the thought ever cross your mind that it >>>> might be an idea to check the wikipedia entry and see whether Wright >>>> is mentioned in it? I did. He was. >>> It wasn't as of yesterday when this story came out. >> Before writing that, did the thought ever cross your mind to check the >> page history for the entry to see whether the claim you were making >> was true? I did. You can do it too. The reference to Reverend >> Wright was there yesterday.
> LOL! So this is what you're talking about:
> "Obama resigned from Trinity during the Presidential campaign after > controversial statements made by Rev. Jeremiah Wright became public."
> Leaving aside how one can "resign" from a church in which one is not > employed,
Good God, that's as bad are Britney riding a bike without a helmet!
Kudos, T-tos, you're definitely doing a good job competing with Rich for the stupidest poster in Usenet history.
Gunner Asch wrote: > On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:42:28 -0400, FDR <FDR@fkfkdkfd> wrote:
>>> One assumes that all the rest have been looked at. On the other >>> hand..Im rather sure that the question of citizenship has not been >>> raised with any other president. Unless you have citations to some >>> other presidential candidate that may have been born outside of the >>> US? >> John McCain
> Born on US property. In the Canal Zone. All quite legal.
I don't think so. He can only prove it to me if he shows me a copy of his birth certificate.
> Next? >>>>> And as I said...which one? I have two. >>>>>>>>> And why have his relatives continued to maintain he was born in Kenya?
>>>>>>>>> Inquiring minds really really want to know. >>>>>>>> No, nut cases want to know. >>>>>>> What are you so afraid of?
>>>>>>> Methinks you doth protest far far too much. >>>>>> Nah, you're just a fruitcake with two birth certificates, lol >>>>> I do indeed have two. And apparently so does your Obamassiah. >>>> Ok, since you're into showing proof so badly, put yours up on the >>>> internet. But you won't. >>> Im not running for president. When I do, you will be the first to see >>> the valid one. I promise. >>>>> What are you so afraid of?
>>> Still no answer? Odd.....you seem desperately afraid of something >>> about his birth certificate.
>>> A simple release form and letting the media look at his actual birth >>> certificate and the question would be solved once and for all.
>>> Simple, no? >> If it was so important, why did the RNC not challenge it?
> Because other people are doing the heavy lifting. If rebuilding your > engine is important, why do mechanics do it for you?
> "Human nature is bad. Good is a human product > A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced > before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone > before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected > they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual > and moral principles." > —Sun Tzu
Strabo wrote: > Howard Johnson wrote: >> David Johnston wrote: >>> On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:09:34 -0500, "charliekilo" >>> <miles_kra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Obama presented a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth...which is NOT >>>> a birth certificate in the state of Hawaii. The Birth Certificate he >>>> provided was a cobbled together certificate and was proven not to be >>>> legit. Then when he went to visit his dying mother in Hawaii several >>>> months ago, he met with the governor of Hawaii...and for some >>>> reason, the governor "sealed" the record and the Certificate will >>>> never be seen.
>>> The problem with that is, it's a lie. The governor never "sealed" the >>> record because original birth records were never open to viewing by >>> the public in the first place.
>> That's my impression also.
> Courts, law enforcement, family, FBI, BATF, DOD, IRS and a hundred > other agencies can order that a birth certificate be produced.
> In this case the Obama-Soetoro Hawaiian birth certificate doesn't exist.
>>> One assumes that all the rest have been looked at. On the other >>> hand..Im rather sure that the question of citizenship has not been >>> raised with any other president. Unless you have citations to some >>> other presidential candidate that may have been born outside of the >>> US?
>>John McCain
>Born on US property. In the Canal Zone. All quite legal.
But nobody ever examined his "original" birth certificate.
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:12:12 -0400, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote: >In article <0hpbr4pii7a2i0jbauut6a1d3mr6s43...@4ax.com>, > David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:48:35 -0400, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
>> >In article <v2fbr45gfnrcsm0asp5g7dgm53jiqaj...@4ax.com>, >> > David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:49:10 -0400, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
>> >> >A perfect example is the Reverend Wright issue. That wasn't >> >> >substance-less innuendo at all. Obama himself went on national TV and >> >> >admitted that Wright's comments were inappropriate and divisive. It was >> >> >a huge news story and a significant part of the campaign. Yet try and >> >> >even mention Wright on Obama's Wikipedia page and it gets deleted >> >> >instantly.
>> >> Before writing that, did the thought ever cross your mind that it >> >> might be an idea to check the wikipedia entry and see whether Wright >> >> is mentioned in it? I did. He was.
>> >It wasn't as of yesterday when this story came out.
>> Before writing that, did the thought ever cross your mind to check the >> page history for the entry to see whether the claim you were making >> was true? I did. You can do it too. The reference to Reverend >> Wright was there yesterday.
>LOL! So this is what you're talking about:
>"Obama resigned from Trinity during the Presidential campaign after >controversial statements made by Rev. Jeremiah Wright became public."
>Leaving aside how one can "resign" from a church in which one is not >employed, there's nothing there about the statements, nothing about the >credibility issues surrounding Obama's claims of how long he attended
If you didn't mean "mention" you should have used another word.
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