> MARYVILLE, Ill. - Illinois State Police say a pastor was shot and killed > Sunday morning by an assailant at an 8 a.m. worship service.
> In a telephone interview, Jeff Ross, a lay minister at the First Baptist > Church of Maryville, Ill., said Senior Pastor Fred Winters was shot to > death after he was hit in the heart and the neck.
> "He's gone home to be free with the Lord," Ross said.
> Parishioners tackled the gunman, who wounded himself with a knife, state > police told CNN.
> Master Trooper Ralph Timmins says the man walked down the aisle during the > service, exchanged words with the pastor, then drew a .45-caliber handgun > and fired.
> Timmins said the man fatally shot Winters once before the gun jammed, then > pulled out a knife and wounded himself.
> Churchgoers tried to subdue the attacker, and two of them were slightly > hurt.
> Timmins said officials don't know whether Winters and the suspect knew > each other.
> Ross said that over the last 21 years, Winters built the congregation up > from about 30 to 1,500 members. "This is just Satan. Who else would do it? > Someone who wanted to stop his message," he said.
> Winters was married and had two daughters, Ross said. Winters had led > First Baptist for nearly 22 years and was the former president of the > Illinois Baptist State Association and an adjunct professor for Midwestern > Baptist Theological Seminary, according to the church's website.
> Ross described the church as occupying a suburban location about 18 miles > outside St. Louis in an area largely untroubled by crime or violence. "He > built this church in a cornfield," he said of Winters, "and now houses are > filling in around us."
> Winters, he said, "was on fire for the Lord. He only worried about people > who were lost."
> He said he and other church members were praying for the gunman. "He's > still alive, so there's still a chance for him to turn his life around and > find the Lord."
Are you trying to pass off a genuine news item as a joke?
Are you trying to parody anti-Semitism?
The gunman isn't even named, and the odds against the gunman being Jewish are astronomical.
-- "Aetas parentum pejor avis tulit nos nequiores, mox daturos progenium vitiosiorem" ("Our parents, viler than our grandparents, begot us who are even viler, and we shall bring forth a progeny more degenerate still") - Horace, Odes, III, 6
> MARYVILLE, Ill. Illinois State Police say a pastor was shot and killed > Sunday morning by an assailant at an 8 a.m. worship service.
> In a telephone interview, Jeff Ross, a lay minister at the First Baptist > Church of Maryville, Ill., said Senior Pastor Fred Winters was shot to > death after he was hit in the heart and the neck.
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>> MARYVILLE, Ill. - Illinois State Police say a pastor was shot and >> killed Sunday morning by an assailant at an 8 a.m. worship service.
>> In a telephone interview, Jeff Ross, a lay minister at the First >> Baptist Church of Maryville, Ill., said Senior Pastor Fred Winters >> was shot to death after he was hit in the heart and the neck.
>> "He's gone home to be free with the Lord," Ross said.
>> Parishioners tackled the gunman, who wounded himself with a knife, >> state police told CNN.
>> Master Trooper Ralph Timmins says the man walked down the aisle >> during the service, exchanged words with the pastor, then drew a >> .45-caliber handgun and fired.
>> Timmins said the man fatally shot Winters once before the gun jammed, >> then pulled out a knife and wounded himself.
>> Churchgoers tried to subdue the attacker, and two of them were >> slightly hurt.
>> Timmins said officials don't know whether Winters and the suspect >> knew each other.
>> Ross said that over the last 21 years, Winters built the congregation >> up from about 30 to 1,500 members. "This is just Satan. Who else >> would do it? Someone who wanted to stop his message," he said.
>> Winters was married and had two daughters, Ross said. Winters had led >> First Baptist for nearly 22 years and was the former president of the >> Illinois Baptist State Association and an adjunct professor for >> Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, according to the church's >> website.
>> Ross described the church as occupying a suburban location about 18 >> miles outside St. Louis in an area largely untroubled by crime or >> violence. "He built this church in a cornfield," he said of Winters, >> "and now houses are filling in around us."
>> Winters, he said, "was on fire for the Lord. He only worried about >> people who were lost."
>> He said he and other church members were praying for the gunman. >> "He's still alive, so there's still a chance for him to turn his life >> around and find the Lord."
> Are you trying to pass off a genuine news item as a joke?
> Are you trying to parody anti-Semitism?
> The gunman isn't even named, and the odds against the gunman being > Jewish are astronomical.
The OP knows he was a liberal Jew, because the voice of God in his head said so. Besides, everybody knows that liberal Jews are all a bunch of crazy gun nuts, and if he wasn't a liberal Jew, then he must have been a liberal feminist gun nut, a liberal tree-hugging gun nut, a liberal Unitarian gun nut, a liberal abortionist gun nut or a liberal stem cell researcher gun nut.
There's no way he coul been someone the pastor knew, because the voice of God in the OP's head told him that it had to be a cliched newspaper stereotype with a political agenda. Yeah, that's the ticket.
>>> MARYVILLE, Ill. - Illinois State Police say a pastor was shot and >>> killed Sunday morning by an assailant at an 8 a.m. worship service.
>>> In a telephone interview, Jeff Ross, a lay minister at the First >>> Baptist Church of Maryville, Ill., said Senior Pastor Fred Winters >>> was shot to death after he was hit in the heart and the neck.
>>> "He's gone home to be free with the Lord," Ross said.
>>> Parishioners tackled the gunman, who wounded himself with a knife, >>> state police told CNN.
>>> Master Trooper Ralph Timmins says the man walked down the aisle >>> during the service, exchanged words with the pastor, then drew a >>> .45-caliber handgun and fired.
>>> Timmins said the man fatally shot Winters once before the gun jammed, >>> then pulled out a knife and wounded himself.
>>> Churchgoers tried to subdue the attacker, and two of them were >>> slightly hurt.
>>> Timmins said officials don't know whether Winters and the suspect >>> knew each other.
>>> Ross said that over the last 21 years, Winters built the congregation >>> up from about 30 to 1,500 members. "This is just Satan. Who else >>> would do it? Someone who wanted to stop his message," he said.
>>> Winters was married and had two daughters, Ross said. Winters had led >>> First Baptist for nearly 22 years and was the former president of the >>> Illinois Baptist State Association and an adjunct professor for >>> Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, according to the church's >>> website.
>>> Ross described the church as occupying a suburban location about 18 >>> miles outside St. Louis in an area largely untroubled by crime or >>> violence. "He built this church in a cornfield," he said of Winters, >>> "and now houses are filling in around us."
>>> Winters, he said, "was on fire for the Lord. He only worried about >>> people who were lost."
>>> He said he and other church members were praying for the gunman. >>> "He's still alive, so there's still a chance for him to turn his life >>> around and find the Lord."
>> Are you trying to pass off a genuine news item as a joke?
>> Are you trying to parody anti-Semitism?
>> The gunman isn't even named, and the odds against the gunman being >> Jewish are astronomical.
> The OP knows he was a liberal Jew, because the voice of God in his head > said so. Besides, everybody knows that liberal Jews are all a bunch of > crazy gun nuts, and if he wasn't a liberal Jew, then he must have been a > liberal feminist gun nut, a liberal tree-hugging gun nut, a liberal > Unitarian gun nut, a liberal abortionist gun nut or a liberal stem cell > researcher gun nut.
> There's no way he coul been someone the pastor knew, because the voice > of God in the OP's head told him that it had to be a cliched newspaper > stereotype with a political agenda. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Most felons ARE actual or potential liberal Democrats.
Or at least, demographically, they come from the same groups that make up the Democratic constituency.
The drive to restore the voting rights of felons is entirely a Democratic-organized drive, and the reason for that is obvious.
But not very many Jews are guilty of violent criminal activity, so it's statistically unlikely that someone who uses a firearm for criminal purposes is Jewish.
-- "Aetas parentum pejor avis tulit nos nequiores, mox daturos progenium vitiosiorem" ("Our parents, viler than our grandparents, begot us who are even viler, and we shall bring forth a progeny more degenerate still") - Horace, Odes, III, 6
>>>> MARYVILLE, Ill. - Illinois State Police say a pastor was shot and >>>> killed Sunday morning by an assailant at an 8 a.m. worship service.
>>>> In a telephone interview, Jeff Ross, a lay minister at the First >>>> Baptist Church of Maryville, Ill., said Senior Pastor Fred Winters >>>> was shot to death after he was hit in the heart and the neck.
>>>> "He's gone home to be free with the Lord," Ross said.
>>>> Parishioners tackled the gunman, who wounded himself with a knife, >>>> state police told CNN.
>>>> Master Trooper Ralph Timmins says the man walked down the aisle >>>> during the service, exchanged words with the pastor, then drew a >>>> .45-caliber handgun and fired.
>>>> Timmins said the man fatally shot Winters once before the gun jammed, >>>> then pulled out a knife and wounded himself.
>>>> Churchgoers tried to subdue the attacker, and two of them were >>>> slightly hurt.
>>>> Timmins said officials don't know whether Winters and the suspect >>>> knew each other.
>>>> Ross said that over the last 21 years, Winters built the congregation >>>> up from about 30 to 1,500 members. "This is just Satan. Who else >>>> would do it? Someone who wanted to stop his message," he said.
>>>> Winters was married and had two daughters, Ross said. Winters had led >>>> First Baptist for nearly 22 years and was the former president of the >>>> Illinois Baptist State Association and an adjunct professor for >>>> Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, according to the church's >>>> website.
>>>> Ross described the church as occupying a suburban location about 18 >>>> miles outside St. Louis in an area largely untroubled by crime or >>>> violence. "He built this church in a cornfield," he said of Winters, >>>> "and now houses are filling in around us."
>>>> Winters, he said, "was on fire for the Lord. He only worried about >>>> people who were lost."
>>>> He said he and other church members were praying for the gunman. >>>> "He's still alive, so there's still a chance for him to turn his life >>>> around and find the Lord." >>> Are you trying to pass off a genuine news item as a joke?
>>> Are you trying to parody anti-Semitism?
>>> The gunman isn't even named, and the odds against the gunman being >>> Jewish are astronomical. >> The OP knows he was a liberal Jew, because the voice of God in his head >> said so. Besides, everybody knows that liberal Jews are all a bunch of >> crazy gun nuts, and if he wasn't a liberal Jew, then he must have been a >> liberal feminist gun nut, a liberal tree-hugging gun nut, a liberal >> Unitarian gun nut, a liberal abortionist gun nut or a liberal stem cell >> researcher gun nut.
>> There's no way he coul been someone the pastor knew, because the voice >> of God in the OP's head told him that it had to be a cliched newspaper >> stereotype with a political agenda. Yeah, that's the ticket.
> Most felons ARE actual or potential liberal Democrats.
> Or at least, demographically, they come from the same groups that make up > the Democratic constituency.
> The drive to restore the voting rights of felons is entirely a > Democratic-organized drive, and the reason for that is obvious.
> But not very many Jews are guilty of violent criminal activity, so it's > statistically unlikely that someone who uses a firearm for criminal purposes > is Jewish.
>> MARYVILLE, Ill. - Illinois State Police say a pastor was shot and killed >> Sunday morning by an assailant at an 8 a.m. worship service.
>> In a telephone interview, Jeff Ross, a lay minister at the First Baptist >> Church of Maryville, Ill., said Senior Pastor Fred Winters was shot to >> death after he was hit in the heart and the neck.
>> "He's gone home to be free with the Lord," Ross said.
>> Parishioners tackled the gunman, who wounded himself with a knife, state >> police told CNN.
>> Master Trooper Ralph Timmins says the man walked down the aisle during the >> service, exchanged words with the pastor, then drew a .45-caliber handgun >> and fired.
>> Timmins said the man fatally shot Winters once before the gun jammed, then >> pulled out a knife and wounded himself.
>> Churchgoers tried to subdue the attacker, and two of them were slightly >> hurt.
>> Timmins said officials don't know whether Winters and the suspect knew >> each other.
>> Ross said that over the last 21 years, Winters built the congregation up >> from about 30 to 1,500 members. "This is just Satan. Who else would do it? >> Someone who wanted to stop his message," he said.
>> Winters was married and had two daughters, Ross said. Winters had led >> First Baptist for nearly 22 years and was the former president of the >> Illinois Baptist State Association and an adjunct professor for Midwestern >> Baptist Theological Seminary, according to the church's website.
>> Ross described the church as occupying a suburban location about 18 miles >> outside St. Louis in an area largely untroubled by crime or violence. "He >> built this church in a cornfield," he said of Winters, "and now houses are >> filling in around us."
>> Winters, he said, "was on fire for the Lord. He only worried about people >> who were lost."
>> He said he and other church members were praying for the gunman. "He's >> still alive, so there's still a chance for him to turn his life around and >> find the Lord."
>Are you trying to pass off a genuine news item as a joke?
>Are you trying to parody anti-Semitism?
>The gunman isn't even named, and the odds against the gunman being Jewish >are astronomical.
Look at it this way. If he is kidding, it's not really chuckleworthy, but it's okay. Chuckle if you wish. If he is "serious", then he IS the joke.
> MARYVILLE, Ill. — Illinois State Police say a pastor was shot and killed > Sunday morning by an assailant at an 8 a.m. worship service.
> In a telephone interview, Jeff Ross, a lay minister at the First Baptist > Church of Maryville, Ill., said Senior Pastor Fred Winters was shot to > death after he was hit in the heart and the neck.
> "He's gone home to be free with the Lord," Ross said.
> Parishioners tackled the gunman, who wounded himself with a knife, state > police told CNN.
> Master Trooper Ralph Timmins says the man walked down the aisle during the > service, exchanged words with the pastor, then drew a .45-caliber handgun > and fired.
> Timmins said the man fatally shot Winters once before the gun jammed, then > pulled out a knife and wounded himself.
> Churchgoers tried to subdue the attacker, and two of them were slightly > hurt.
> Timmins said officials don't know whether Winters and the suspect knew > each other.
> Ross said that over the last 21 years, Winters built the congregation up > from about 30 to 1,500 members. "This is just Satan. Who else would do it? > Someone who wanted to stop his message," he said.
> Winters was married and had two daughters, Ross said. Winters had led > First Baptist for nearly 22 years and was the former president of the > Illinois Baptist State Association and an adjunct professor for Midwestern > Baptist Theological Seminary, according to the church's website.
> Ross described the church as occupying a suburban location about 18 miles > outside St. Louis in an area largely untroubled by crime or violence. "He > built this church in a cornfield," he said of Winters, "and now houses are > filling in around us."
> Winters, he said, "was on fire for the Lord. He only worried about people > who were lost."
> He said he and other church members were praying for the gunman. "He's > still alive, so there's still a chance for him to turn his life around and > find the Lord."
>>>> MARYVILLE, Ill. - Illinois State Police say a pastor was shot and >>>> killed Sunday morning by an assailant at an 8 a.m. worship service.
>>>> In a telephone interview, Jeff Ross, a lay minister at the First >>>> Baptist Church of Maryville, Ill., said Senior Pastor Fred Winters >>>> was shot to death after he was hit in the heart and the neck.
>>>> "He's gone home to be free with the Lord," Ross said.
>>>> Parishioners tackled the gunman, who wounded himself with a knife, >>>> state police told CNN.
>>>> Master Trooper Ralph Timmins says the man walked down the aisle >>>> during the service, exchanged words with the pastor, then drew a >>>> .45-caliber handgun and fired.
>>>> Timmins said the man fatally shot Winters once before the gun >>>> jammed, then pulled out a knife and wounded himself.
>>>> Churchgoers tried to subdue the attacker, and two of them were >>>> slightly hurt.
>>>> Timmins said officials don't know whether Winters and the suspect >>>> knew each other.
>>>> Ross said that over the last 21 years, Winters built the >>>> congregation up from about 30 to 1,500 members. "This is just >>>> Satan. Who else would do it? Someone who wanted to stop his >>>> message," he said.
>>>> Winters was married and had two daughters, Ross said. Winters had >>>> led First Baptist for nearly 22 years and was the former president >>>> of the Illinois Baptist State Association and an adjunct professor >>>> for Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, according to the >>>> church's website.
>>>> Ross described the church as occupying a suburban location about 18 >>>> miles outside St. Louis in an area largely untroubled by crime or >>>> violence. "He built this church in a cornfield," he said of >>>> Winters, "and now houses are filling in around us."
>>>> Winters, he said, "was on fire for the Lord. He only worried about >>>> people who were lost."
>>>> He said he and other church members were praying for the gunman. >>>> "He's still alive, so there's still a chance for him to turn his >>>> life around and find the Lord."
>>> Are you trying to pass off a genuine news item as a joke?
>>> Are you trying to parody anti-Semitism?
>>> The gunman isn't even named, and the odds against the gunman being >>> Jewish are astronomical.
>> The OP knows he was a liberal Jew, because the voice of God in his >> head said so. Besides, everybody knows that liberal Jews are all a >> bunch of crazy gun nuts, and if he wasn't a liberal Jew, then he must >> have been a liberal feminist gun nut, a liberal tree-hugging gun nut, >> a liberal Unitarian gun nut, a liberal abortionist gun nut or a >> liberal stem cell researcher gun nut.
>> There's no way he coul been someone the pastor knew, because the >> voice of God in the OP's head told him that it had to be a cliched >> newspaper stereotype with a political agenda. Yeah, that's the >> ticket.
> Most felons ARE actual or potential liberal Democrats.
> Or at least, demographically, they come from the same groups that make > up the Democratic constituency.
Most felons actually ARE anti-social and paranoid Repugnicants and gun nuts.
Or at least, demographically, they come from the same groups that make up the Repugnicatn constituency.
>>>> MARYVILLE, Ill. - Illinois State Police say a pastor was shot and >>>> killed Sunday morning by an assailant at an 8 a.m. worship service.
>>>> In a telephone interview, Jeff Ross, a lay minister at the First >>>> Baptist Church of Maryville, Ill., said Senior Pastor Fred Winters >>>> was shot to death after he was hit in the heart and the neck.
>>>> "He's gone home to be free with the Lord," Ross said.
>>>> Parishioners tackled the gunman, who wounded himself with a knife, >>>> state police told CNN.
>>>> Master Trooper Ralph Timmins says the man walked down the aisle >>>> during the service, exchanged words with the pastor, then drew a >>>> .45-caliber handgun and fired.
>>>> Timmins said the man fatally shot Winters once before the gun jammed, >>>> then pulled out a knife and wounded himself.
>>>> Churchgoers tried to subdue the attacker, and two of them were >>>> slightly hurt.
>>>> Timmins said officials don't know whether Winters and the suspect >>>> knew each other.
>>>> Ross said that over the last 21 years, Winters built the congregation >>>> up from about 30 to 1,500 members. "This is just Satan. Who else >>>> would do it? Someone who wanted to stop his message," he said.
>>>> Winters was married and had two daughters, Ross said. Winters had led >>>> First Baptist for nearly 22 years and was the former president of the >>>> Illinois Baptist State Association and an adjunct professor for >>>> Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, according to the church's >>>> website.
>>>> Ross described the church as occupying a suburban location about 18 >>>> miles outside St. Louis in an area largely untroubled by crime or >>>> violence. "He built this church in a cornfield," he said of Winters, >>>> "and now houses are filling in around us."
>>>> Winters, he said, "was on fire for the Lord. He only worried about >>>> people who were lost."
>>>> He said he and other church members were praying for the gunman. >>>> "He's still alive, so there's still a chance for him to turn his life >>>> around and find the Lord."
>>> Are you trying to pass off a genuine news item as a joke?
>>> Are you trying to parody anti-Semitism?
>>> The gunman isn't even named, and the odds against the gunman being >>> Jewish are astronomical.
>> The OP knows he was a liberal Jew, because the voice of God in his head >> said so. Besides, everybody knows that liberal Jews are all a bunch of >> crazy gun nuts, and if he wasn't a liberal Jew, then he must have been a >> liberal feminist gun nut, a liberal tree-hugging gun nut, a liberal >> Unitarian gun nut, a liberal abortionist gun nut or a liberal stem cell >> researcher gun nut.
>> There's no way he coul been someone the pastor knew, because the voice >> of God in the OP's head told him that it had to be a cliched newspaper >> stereotype with a political agenda. Yeah, that's the ticket.
> Most felons ARE actual or potential liberal Democrats.
> Or at least, demographically, they come from the same groups that make up > the Democratic constituency.
> The drive to restore the voting rights of felons is entirely a > Democratic-organized drive, and the reason for that is obvious.
> But not very many Jews are guilty of violent criminal activity, so it's > statistically unlikely that someone who uses a firearm for criminal > purposes is Jewish.
A gun owner would statistically more likely be a Republican voter, because they are all about that.
>> >>>> MARYVILLE, Ill. - Illinois State Police say a pastor was shot and >> >>>> killed Sunday morning by an assailant at an 8 a.m. worship service.
>> >>>> In a telephone interview, Jeff Ross, a lay minister at the First >> >>>> Baptist Church of Maryville, Ill., said Senior Pastor Fred Winters >> >>>> was shot to death after he was hit in the heart and the neck.
>> >>>> "He's gone home to be free with the Lord," Ross said.
>> >>>> Parishioners tackled the gunman, who wounded himself with a knife, >> >>>> state police told CNN.
>> >>>> Master Trooper Ralph Timmins says the man walked down the aisle >> >>>> during the service, exchanged words with the pastor, then drew a >> >>>> .45-caliber handgun and fired.
>> >>>> Timmins said the man fatally shot Winters once before the gun >> >>>> jammed, >> >>>> then pulled out a knife and wounded himself.
>> >>>> Churchgoers tried to subdue the attacker, and two of them were >> >>>> slightly hurt.
>> >>>> Timmins said officials don't know whether Winters and the suspect >> >>>> knew each other.
>> >>>> Ross said that over the last 21 years, Winters built the >> >>>> congregation >> >>>> up from about 30 to 1,500 members. "This is just Satan. Who else >> >>>> would do it? Someone who wanted to stop his message," he said.
>> >>>> Winters was married and had two daughters, Ross said. Winters had >> >>>> led >> >>>> First Baptist for nearly 22 years and was the former president of >> >>>> the >> >>>> Illinois Baptist State Association and an adjunct professor for >> >>>> Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, according to the church's >> >>>> website.
>> >>>> Ross described the church as occupying a suburban location about 18 >> >>>> miles outside St. Louis in an area largely untroubled by crime or >> >>>> violence. "He built this church in a cornfield," he said of Winters, >> >>>> "and now houses are filling in around us."
>> >>>> Winters, he said, "was on fire for the Lord. He only worried about >> >>>> people who were lost."
>> >>>> He said he and other church members were praying for the gunman. >> >>>> "He's still alive, so there's still a chance for him to turn his >> >>>> life >> >>>> around and find the Lord."
>> >>> Are you trying to pass off a genuine news item as a joke?
>> >>> Are you trying to parody anti-Semitism?
>> >>> The gunman isn't even named, and the odds against the gunman being >> >>> Jewish are astronomical.
>> >> The OP knows he was a liberal Jew, because the voice of God in his >> >> head >> >> said so. Besides, everybody knows that liberal Jews are all a bunch >> >> of >> >> crazy gun nuts, and if he wasn't a liberal Jew, then he must have been >> >> a >> >> liberal feminist gun nut, a liberal tree-hugging gun nut, a liberal >> >> Unitarian gun nut, a liberal abortionist gun nut or a liberal stem >> >> cell >> >> researcher gun nut.
>> >> There's no way he coul been someone the pastor knew, because the voice >> >> of God in the OP's head told him that it had to be a cliched newspaper >> >> stereotype with a political agenda. Yeah, that's the ticket.
>> > Most felons ARE actual or potential liberal Democrats.
>> > Or at least, demographically, they come from the same groups that make >> > up >> > the Democratic constituency.
>> > The drive to restore the voting rights of felons is entirely a >> > Democratic-organized drive, and the reason for that is obvious.
>> > But not very many Jews are guilty of violent criminal activity, so it's >> > statistically unlikely that someone who uses a firearm for criminal >> > purposes is Jewish.
>> A gun owner would statistically more likely be a Republican voter, >> because >> they are all about that.
> Just as a faggot would most likely be a liberal, because they > are all about that.
You think about homosexuality far too much, ever wonder what the real reason is for that?
> >>>> MARYVILLE, Ill. - Illinois State Police say a pastor was shot and > >>>> killed Sunday morning by an assailant at an 8 a.m. worship service.
> >>>> In a telephone interview, Jeff Ross, a lay minister at the First > >>>> Baptist Church of Maryville, Ill., said Senior Pastor Fred Winters > >>>> was shot to death after he was hit in the heart and the neck.
> >>>> "He's gone home to be free with the Lord," Ross said.
> >>>> Parishioners tackled the gunman, who wounded himself with a knife, > >>>> state police told CNN.
> >>>> Master Trooper Ralph Timmins says the man walked down the aisle > >>>> during the service, exchanged words with the pastor, then drew a > >>>> .45-caliber handgun and fired.
> >>>> Timmins said the man fatally shot Winters once before the gun jammed, > >>>> then pulled out a knife and wounded himself.
> >>>> Churchgoers tried to subdue the attacker, and two of them were > >>>> slightly hurt.
> >>>> Timmins said officials don't know whether Winters and the suspect > >>>> knew each other.
> >>>> Ross said that over the last 21 years, Winters built the congregation > >>>> up from about 30 to 1,500 members. "This is just Satan. Who else > >>>> would do it? Someone who wanted to stop his message," he said.
> >>>> Winters was married and had two daughters, Ross said. Winters had led > >>>> First Baptist for nearly 22 years and was the former president of the > >>>> Illinois Baptist State Association and an adjunct professor for > >>>> Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, according to the church's > >>>> website.
> >>>> Ross described the church as occupying a suburban location about 18 > >>>> miles outside St. Louis in an area largely untroubled by crime or > >>>> violence. "He built this church in a cornfield," he said of Winters, > >>>> "and now houses are filling in around us."
> >>>> Winters, he said, "was on fire for the Lord. He only worried about > >>>> people who were lost."
> >>>> He said he and other church members were praying for the gunman. > >>>> "He's still alive, so there's still a chance for him to turn his life > >>>> around and find the Lord."
> >>> Are you trying to pass off a genuine news item as a joke?
> >>> Are you trying to parody anti-Semitism?
> >>> The gunman isn't even named, and the odds against the gunman being > >>> Jewish are astronomical.
> >> The OP knows he was a liberal Jew, because the voice of God in his head > >> said so. Besides, everybody knows that liberal Jews are all a bunch of > >> crazy gun nuts, and if he wasn't a liberal Jew, then he must have been a > >> liberal feminist gun nut, a liberal tree-hugging gun nut, a liberal > >> Unitarian gun nut, a liberal abortionist gun nut or a liberal stem cell > >> researcher gun nut.
> >> There's no way he coul been someone the pastor knew, because the voice > >> of God in the OP's head told him that it had to be a cliched newspaper > >> stereotype with a political agenda. Yeah, that's the ticket.
> > Most felons ARE actual or potential liberal Democrats.
> > Or at least, demographically, they come from the same groups that make up > > the Democratic constituency.
> > The drive to restore the voting rights of felons is entirely a > > Democratic-organized drive, and the reason for that is obvious.
> > But not very many Jews are guilty of violent criminal activity, so it's > > statistically unlikely that someone who uses a firearm for criminal > > purposes is Jewish.
> A gun owner would statistically more likely be a Republican voter, because > they are all about that.- Hide quoted text -
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You are a hoplophobe, showing your fear and ignorance..
> >>>> MARYVILLE, Ill. - Illinois State Police say a pastor was shot and > >>>> killed Sunday morning by an assailant at an 8 a.m. worship service.
> >>>> In a telephone interview, Jeff Ross, a lay minister at the First > >>>> Baptist Church of Maryville, Ill., said Senior Pastor Fred Winters > >>>> was shot to death after he was hit in the heart and the neck.
> >>>> "He's gone home to be free with the Lord," Ross said.
> >>>> Parishioners tackled the gunman, who wounded himself with a knife, > >>>> state police told CNN.
> >>>> Master Trooper Ralph Timmins says the man walked down the aisle > >>>> during the service, exchanged words with the pastor, then drew a > >>>> .45-caliber handgun and fired.
> >>>> Timmins said the man fatally shot Winters once before the gun jammed, > >>>> then pulled out a knife and wounded himself.
> >>>> Churchgoers tried to subdue the attacker, and two of them were > >>>> slightly hurt.
> >>>> Timmins said officials don't know whether Winters and the suspect > >>>> knew each other.
> >>>> Ross said that over the last 21 years, Winters built the congregation > >>>> up from about 30 to 1,500 members. "This is just Satan. Who else > >>>> would do it? Someone who wanted to stop his message," he said.
> >>>> Winters was married and had two daughters, Ross said. Winters had led > >>>> First Baptist for nearly 22 years and was the former president of the > >>>> Illinois Baptist State Association and an adjunct professor for > >>>> Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, according to the church's > >>>> website.
> >>>> Ross described the church as occupying a suburban location about 18 > >>>> miles outside St. Louis in an area largely untroubled by crime or > >>>> violence. "He built this church in a cornfield," he said of Winters, > >>>> "and now houses are filling in around us."
> >>>> Winters, he said, "was on fire for the Lord. He only worried about > >>>> people who were lost."
> >>>> He said he and other church members were praying for the gunman. > >>>> "He's still alive, so there's still a chance for him to turn his life > >>>> around and find the Lord."
> >>> Are you trying to pass off a genuine news item as a joke?
> >>> Are you trying to parody anti-Semitism?
> >>> The gunman isn't even named, and the odds against the gunman being > >>> Jewish are astronomical.
> >> The OP knows he was a liberal Jew, because the voice of God in his head > >> said so. Besides, everybody knows that liberal Jews are all a bunch of > >> crazy gun nuts, and if he wasn't a liberal Jew, then he must have been a > >> liberal feminist gun nut, a liberal tree-hugging gun nut, a liberal > >> Unitarian gun nut, a liberal abortionist gun nut or a liberal stem cell > >> researcher gun nut.
> >> There's no way he coul been someone the pastor knew, because the voice > >> of God in the OP's head told him that it had to be a cliched newspaper > >> stereotype with a political agenda. Yeah, that's the ticket.
> > Most felons ARE actual or potential liberal Democrats.
> > Or at least, demographically, they come from the same groups that make up > > the Democratic constituency.
> > The drive to restore the voting rights of felons is entirely a > > Democratic-organized drive, and the reason for that is obvious.
> > But not very many Jews are guilty of violent criminal activity, so it's > > statistically unlikely that someone who uses a firearm for criminal > > purposes is Jewish.
> A gun owner would statistically more likely be a Republican voter, because > they are all about that.
A LAW-ABIDING gun owner would statistically more likely be a Republican voter.
A gun owner who uses his gun to commit a felony would statistically more likely be a Democrat or someone who would vote Democrat if his voting rights were restored.
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>> >>>> MARYVILLE, Ill. - Illinois State Police say a pastor was shot >> >>>> and killed Sunday morning by an assailant at an 8 a.m. worship >> >>>> service.
>> >>>> In a telephone interview, Jeff Ross, a lay minister at the First >> >>>> Baptist Church of Maryville, Ill., said Senior Pastor Fred >> >>>> Winters was shot to death after he was hit in the heart and the >> >>>> neck.
>> >>>> "He's gone home to be free with the Lord," Ross said.
>> >>>> Parishioners tackled the gunman, who wounded himself with a >> >>>> knife, state police told CNN.
>> >>>> Master Trooper Ralph Timmins says the man walked down the aisle >> >>>> during the service, exchanged words with the pastor, then drew a >> >>>> .45-caliber handgun and fired.
>> >>>> Timmins said the man fatally shot Winters once before the gun >> >>>> jammed > , >> >>>> then pulled out a knife and wounded himself.
>> >>>> Churchgoers tried to subdue the attacker, and two of them were >> >>>> slightly hurt.
>> >>>> Timmins said officials don't know whether Winters and the >> >>>> suspect knew each other.
>> >>>> Ross said that over the last 21 years, Winters built the >> >>>> congregatio > n >> >>>> up from about 30 to 1,500 members. "This is just Satan. Who else >> >>>> would do it? Someone who wanted to stop his message," he said.
>> >>>> Winters was married and had two daughters, Ross said. Winters >> >>>> had le > d >> >>>> First Baptist for nearly 22 years and was the former president >> >>>> of th > e >> >>>> Illinois Baptist State Association and an adjunct professor for >> >>>> Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, according to the >> >>>> church's website.
>> >>>> Ross described the church as occupying a suburban location about >> >>>> 18 miles outside St. Louis in an area largely untroubled by >> >>>> crime or violence. "He built this church in a cornfield," he >> >>>> said of Winters, "and now houses are filling in around us."
>> >>>> Winters, he said, "was on fire for the Lord. He only worried >> >>>> about people who were lost."
>> >>>> He said he and other church members were praying for the gunman. >> >>>> "He's still alive, so there's still a chance for him to turn his >> >>>> lif > e >> >>>> around and find the Lord."
>> >>> Are you trying to pass off a genuine news item as a joke?
>> >>> Are you trying to parody anti-Semitism?
>> >>> The gunman isn't even named, and the odds against the gunman >> >>> being Jewish are astronomical.
>> >> The OP knows he was a liberal Jew, because the voice of God in his >> >> hea > d >> >> said so. Besides, everybody knows that liberal Jews are all a >> >> bunch > of >> >> crazy gun nuts, and if he wasn't a liberal Jew, then he must have >> >> been > a >> >> liberal feminist gun nut, a liberal tree-hugging gun nut, a >> >> liberal Unitarian gun nut, a liberal abortionist gun nut or a >> >> liberal stem cel > l >> >> researcher gun nut.
>> >> There's no way he coul been someone the pastor knew, because the >> >> voice of God in the OP's head told him that it had to be a cliched >> >> newspaper stereotype with a political agenda. Yeah, that's the >> >> ticket.
>> > Most felons ARE actual or potential liberal Democrats.
>> > Or at least, demographically, they come from the same groups that >> > make > up >> > the Democratic constituency.
>> > The drive to restore the voting rights of felons is entirely a >> > Democratic-organized drive, and the reason for that is obvious.
>> > But not very many Jews are guilty of violent criminal activity, so >> > it's statistically unlikely that someone who uses a firearm for >> > criminal purposes is Jewish.
>> A gun owner would statistically more likely be a Republican voter, >> because they are all about that.
> You are a hoplophobe, showing your fear and ignorance..
I'm sure most visitiors to this NG will be interested in the dictionary definition of "hoplophobe."
> >>>> MARYVILLE, Ill. - Illinois State Police say a pastor was shot and > >>>> killed Sunday morning by an assailant at an 8 a.m. worship service.
> >>>> In a telephone interview, Jeff Ross, a lay minister at the First > >>>> Baptist Church of Maryville, Ill., said Senior Pastor Fred Winters > >>>> was shot to death after he was hit in the heart and the neck.
> >>>> "He's gone home to be free with the Lord," Ross said.
> >>>> Parishioners tackled the gunman, who wounded himself with a knife, > >>>> state police told CNN.
> >>>> Master Trooper Ralph Timmins says the man walked down the aisle > >>>> during the service, exchanged words with the pastor, then drew a > >>>> .45-caliber handgun and fired.
> >>>> Timmins said the man fatally shot Winters once before the gun jammed, > >>>> then pulled out a knife and wounded himself.
> >>>> Churchgoers tried to subdue the attacker, and two of them were > >>>> slightly hurt.
> >>>> Timmins said officials don't know whether Winters and the suspect > >>>> knew each other.
> >>>> Ross said that over the last 21 years, Winters built the congregation > >>>> up from about 30 to 1,500 members. "This is just Satan. Who else > >>>> would do it? Someone who wanted to stop his message," he said.
> >>>> Winters was married and had two daughters, Ross said. Winters had led > >>>> First Baptist for nearly 22 years and was the former president of the > >>>> Illinois Baptist State Association and an adjunct professor for > >>>> Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, according to the church's > >>>> website.
> >>>> Ross described the church as occupying a suburban location about 18 > >>>> miles outside St. Louis in an area largely untroubled by crime or > >>>> violence. "He built this church in a cornfield," he said of Winters, > >>>> "and now houses are filling in around us."
> >>>> Winters, he said, "was on fire for the Lord. He only worried about > >>>> people who were lost."
> >>>> He said he and other church members were praying for the gunman. > >>>> "He's still alive, so there's still a chance for him to turn his life > >>>> around and find the Lord."
> >>> Are you trying to pass off a genuine news item as a joke?
> >>> Are you trying to parody anti-Semitism?
> >>> The gunman isn't even named, and the odds against the gunman being > >>> Jewish are astronomical.
> >> The OP knows he was a liberal Jew, because the voice of God in his head > >> said so. Besides, everybody knows that liberal Jews are all a bunch of > >> crazy gun nuts, and if he wasn't a liberal Jew, then he must have been > >> a > >> liberal feminist gun nut, a liberal tree-hugging gun nut, a liberal > >> Unitarian gun nut, a liberal abortionist gun nut or a liberal stem cell > >> researcher gun nut.
> >> There's no way he coul been someone the pastor knew, because the voice > >> of God in the OP's head told him that it had to be a cliched newspaper > >> stereotype with a political agenda. Yeah, that's the ticket.
> > Most felons ARE actual or potential liberal Democrats.
> > Or at least, demographically, they come from the same groups that make > > up > > the Democratic constituency.
> > The drive to restore the voting rights of felons is entirely a > > Democratic-organized drive, and the reason for that is obvious.
> > But not very many Jews are guilty of violent criminal activity, so it's > > statistically unlikely that someone who uses a firearm for criminal > > purposes is Jewish.
> A gun owner would statistically more likely be a Republican voter, because > they are all about that.
A LAW-ABIDING gun owner would statistically more likely be a Republican voter.
A gun owner who uses his gun to commit a felony would statistically more likely be a Democrat or someone who would vote Democrat if his voting rights were restored. ====================================
You gotta admit that "law abiding" Republicans fighting tooth and nail for Democrat criminals also having the right to have guns also is pretty hilarious.
> You are a hoplophobe, showing your fear and ignorance..
Hoplophobe (from the Medical Dictionary): One who has an irrational fear of firearms. ___________________________________________________________________________ ____ http://www.lulu.com/billsey
> Or at least, demographically, they come from the same groups that make > up the Repugnicatn constituency.
What's a "Repugnicatn"?
Or maybe your fingers have a speech impediment. Did you just wash them, and can't do a thing with them? -Eric
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> A LAW-ABIDING gun owner would statistically more likely be a > Republican voter.
> A gun owner who uses his gun to commit a felony would statistically > more likely be a Democrat or someone who would vote Democrat if his > voting rights were restored. > ====================================
> You gotta admit that "law abiding" Republicans fighting tooth and nail for > Democrat criminals also having the right to have guns also is pretty > hilarious.
I'll look for it. I could use a good laugh.
Although it's no more absurd than a Democrat advocating free speech and freedom of the press for people with non-liberal views. -Eric
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>> Or at least, demographically, they come from the same groups that >> make up the Repugnicatn constituency.
> What's a "Repugnicatn"?
> Or maybe your fingers have a speech impediment. Did you just wash > them, and can't do a thing with them? -Eric
If the best that "Repugnicatns" can do is ridicule their opponents for trivial typos, then the "Demorcats" will hold power for the rest of eternity. This how you destroy your party with a fat, stupid, rabble rouser like Rush Windbag.
> > >>>> MARYVILLE, Ill. - Illinois State Police say a pastor was shot and > > >>>> killed Sunday morning by an assailant at an 8 a.m. worship service.
> > >>>> In a telephone interview, Jeff Ross, a lay minister at the First > > >>>> Baptist Church of Maryville, Ill., said Senior Pastor Fred Winters > > >>>> was shot to death after he was hit in the heart and the neck.
> > >>>> "He's gone home to be free with the Lord," Ross said.
> > >>>> Parishioners tackled the gunman, who wounded himself with a knife, > > >>>> state police told CNN.
> > >>>> Master Trooper Ralph Timmins says the man walked down the aisle > > >>>> during the service, exchanged words with the pastor, then drew a > > >>>> .45-caliber handgun and fired.
> > >>>> Timmins said the man fatally shot Winters once before the gun jammed, > > >>>> then pulled out a knife and wounded himself.
> > >>>> Churchgoers tried to subdue the attacker, and two of them were > > >>>> slightly hurt.
> > >>>> Timmins said officials don't know whether Winters and the suspect > > >>>> knew each other.
> > >>>> Ross said that over the last 21 years, Winters built the congregation > > >>>> up from about 30 to 1,500 members. "This is just Satan. Who else > > >>>> would do it? Someone who wanted to stop his message," he said.
> > >>>> Winters was married and had two daughters, Ross said. Winters had led > > >>>> First Baptist for nearly 22 years and was the former president of the > > >>>> Illinois Baptist State Association and an adjunct professor for > > >>>> Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, according to the church's > > >>>> website.
> > >>>> Ross described the church as occupying a suburban location about 18 > > >>>> miles outside St. Louis in an area largely untroubled by crime or > > >>>> violence. "He built this church in a cornfield," he said of Winters, > > >>>> "and now houses are filling in around us."
> > >>>> Winters, he said, "was on fire for the Lord. He only worried about > > >>>> people who were lost."
> > >>>> He said he and other church members were praying for the gunman. > > >>>> "He's still alive, so there's still a chance for him to turn his life > > >>>> around and find the Lord."
> > >>> Are you trying to pass off a genuine news item as a joke?
> > >>> Are you trying to parody anti-Semitism?
> > >>> The gunman isn't even named, and the odds against the gunman being > > >>> Jewish are astronomical.
> > >> The OP knows he was a liberal Jew, because the voice of God in his head > > >> said so. Besides, everybody knows that liberal Jews are all a bunch of > > >> crazy gun nuts, and if he wasn't a liberal Jew, then he must have been a > > >> liberal feminist gun nut, a liberal tree-hugging gun nut, a liberal > > >> Unitarian gun nut, a liberal abortionist gun nut or a liberal stem cell > > >> researcher gun nut.
> > >> There's no way he coul been someone the pastor knew, because the voice > > >> of God in the OP's head told him that it had to be a cliched newspaper > > >> stereotype with a political agenda. Yeah, that's the ticket.
> > > Most felons ARE actual or potential liberal Democrats.
> > > Or at least, demographically, they come from the same groups that make up > > > the Democratic constituency.
> > > The drive to restore the voting rights of felons is entirely a > > > Democratic-organized drive, and the reason for that is obvious.
> > > But not very many Jews are guilty of violent criminal activity, so it's > > > statistically unlikely that someone who uses a firearm for criminal > > > purposes is Jewish.
> > A gun owner would statistically more likely be a Republican voter, because > > they are all about that.
> A LAW-ABIDING gun owner would statistically more likely be a > Republican voter.
> A gun owner who uses his gun to commit a felony would statistically > more likely be a Democrat or someone who would vote Democrat if his > voting rights were restored.
> -- > "Aetas parentum pejor avis tulit nos nequiores, mox daturos progenium > vitiosiorem" ("Our parents, viler than our grandparents, begot us who > are even viler, and we shall bring forth a progeny more degenerate > still") - Horace, Odes, III, 6
>>>Or at least, demographically, they come from the same groups that >>>make up the Repugnicatn constituency.
>>What's a "Repugnicatn"?
>>Or maybe your fingers have a speech impediment. Did you just wash >>them, and can't do a thing with them? -Eric
> If the best that "Repugnicatns" can do is ridicule their opponents for > trivial typos, then the "Demorcats" will hold power for the rest of > eternity. This how you destroy your party with a fat, stupid, rabble > rouser like Rush Windbag.
You seem to think I'm a Republican. Bzzzt!! Thanks for playing.
You also seem to think that "Repugnicatn" and "Repugnicants" were typos, and trivial ones. An odd conclusion, that.
Google tells me that "Repugnican" is a pejorative term for a type of Republican. Whoopie. I thought I'd seen an original immature neologism, instead of a subculture phenomenon. (Reminded me of a lunatic white supremacist of my unfortunate acquaintance, actually. He had a bunch of them. I thought he was a colorful writer, but maybe his words and turns of phrase were just a subculture phenomenon, too.)
Guess I need to spend more time around Republicans and/or the people who hate them in that charming way.
Instead, I tend to hang around people who hate Republicans in an entirely different way, one that doesn't involve name-calling.
If the day ever comes when you're ready to try it that way too, please let me know. -Eric
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>> Look at it this way. If he is kidding, it's not really >>chuckleworthy, but it's okay. Chuckle if you wish. >> If he is "serious", then he IS the joke.
> Terry Joe Sedlacek has been suffering from Lyme Disease and its > co-infection Ehrlichiosis for the past several years. He nearly > lost his life to this disease five years ago and battles the > effects daily. His medications and doctor visits are costly. New > test results revealed the return of this disease and left > temporal lobe damage. He will begin a new & hopeful treatment in > July; most of the expense of these treatments will not be > covered by insurance. Information will be available about this > disease for anyone interested in the diagnosis and treatment of > Lyme. Individuals currently battling Lyme disease will be > available throughout the day to answer questions. There will be > a benefit golf outing, chicken dinner, silent auction and > entertainment on July 12 to help defray these ever mounting > medical expenses.
> Sedlacek > Czech (Sedlácek): from a diminutive of Sedlák (see Sedlak), > either an affectionate form of a status name for a Sedlák, or a > status name for a farmer who owned a smaller piece of land than > a Sedlák in the same village, or else for a young farmer.
> FWIW, lots of Jews have Sedlacek surname.
FWIW, it's not consistent with my experience. But maybe that's due to a sample that's too small, or too unrepresentative of the Jewish population in the U.S., or southern Illinois.
Though we are coming at this backwards.
More significant would be knowing that a high percentage (or a low percentage) of people with a last name of Sedlacek are Jewish. And I've had no experience with people of that last name, FWIW. -Eric
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George Orwell wrote: > Draw any defective conclusion your tiny mind can handle if it > makes you feel better.
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